BYU vs. SDSU

[jay santos]

Not sure if anyone else noticed it but BYU did play one possession of man in the second half it was on an inbounds play and they ended up with a deflection and a steal out of it. Again great coaching.

They always go man on baseline out of bounds, even when they're in a zone.

Our zone has been effective at times this year. I'd like to see it a little more often. Rose only seems to go to it when he gets desperate. I thought it was more of a case of SDSU melting down than our zone being that tough. When they worked the ball they usually got a good inside shot and they were throwing the ball away and missing a ton of open 3's.

[Goatnapper'96]

Schoff --> Emery --> Hartsock --> ?

You've lost all credibility.

But back to your point, Noah's BB IQ does appear to be fairly high.

8 years of cyber love and you are now dead to me Joe Cool. To think you would choose to insult a FYM with the first given name of Noah.

MyboyuponwhosefirstnameIpiss.

Dead to me. Hear that, DEAD TO ME!

[Goatnapper'96]

They always go man on baseline out of bounds, even when they're in a zone.

Our zone has been effective at times this year. I'd like to see it a little more often. Rose only seems to go to it when he gets desperate. I thought it was more of a case of SDSU melting down than our zone being that tough. When they worked the ball they usually got a good inside shot and they were throwing the ball away and missing a ton of open 3's.

This could probably be a thread in and of itself, but occassionally I wonder if a zone defense wouldn't better serve BYU. The issue with zone's is often that teams give up too many offensive rebounds. I am not so sure that couldn't be overcome, especially by a team that is usually bigger than opposing teams. That is historically one of BYU's advantages in that the recruiting base provides a glut of big kids. Frequently BYU can have at least 3 kids on the floor 6'7" or bigger. I didn't research it but does Syracuse historically rebound poorly? What makes a better zone rebounding team, size or athleticism and ability to just go up and get it?

BYU frequently gives up offensive rebounds because the athletically challenged perimeter players get beaten off the dribble. A zone prevents this to some extent. I can see the biggest advantages being that the slower, but frequently good offensive players such as Fredette or JT, would stay out of foul trouble in a zone. In fact with this batch of players where JT and Fredette aren't athletic but anticipate well and are able to take chances in passing lanes I would think a zone would be beneficial. It would allow Fredette and JT to anticipate and take chances but instead of a player being left open if they miss it is an area. Further, zones are beaten by outside shooting and the history of the MC indicates that teams shoot poorly there. Obviously road teams don't shoot well, but opposing teams frequently shoot worse in the MC than they do in their other road games. I think it could be a huge benefit at home, hurt on the road and probably be a benefit in neutral court games.

I was just wondering about this question from a strategic perspective.

Boobs are in!

[LiveCoug]

Lorenzo Wade was pissed last night, even takes a shot at Jimmer:


http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori.../?zIndex=58114

3.FREDETTE, Jimmer-BY...... SO 13 77 21 44 219 16.8
4.WADE, Lorrenzo-SD........ SR 11 63 7 43 176 16.0

[myboynoah]

8 years of cyber love and you are now dead to me Joe Cool. To think you would choose to insult a FYM with the first given name of Noah.

MyboyuponwhosefirstnameIpiss.

Dead to me. Hear that, DEAD TO ME!

You can now join Solon as a pallbearer.

It was a compliment, play-AH. Understated I suppose, but a compliment nonetheless. Hartsock appears to have a feel for the game, much more so that Miles does; where to be and what to do. A great option for smaller lineups and a good way to mix it up when he comes in for JT. That we're seeing this now after his recent return from serving God bodes well for the future of Cougar BB, when he gets his "basketball legs." You'll find no bigger fan, and the name is a wonderful bonus.

Schoff is an ideal. You seem to have missed that.

Yet, I forgive you.

[KillerDog]

This could probably be a thread in and of itself, but occassionally I wonder if a zone defense wouldn't better serve BYU. The issue with zone's is often that teams give up too many offensive rebounds. I am not so sure that couldn't be overcome, especially by a team that is usually bigger than opposing teams. That is historically one of BYU's advantages in that the recruiting base provides a glut of big kids. Frequently BYU can have at least 3 kids on the floor 6'7" or bigger. I didn't research it but does Syracuse historically rebound poorly? What makes a better zone rebounding team, size or athleticism and ability to just go up and get it?

BYU frequently gives up offensive rebounds because the athletically challenged perimeter players get beaten off the dribble. A zone prevents this to some extent. I can see the biggest advantages being that the slower, but frequently good offensive players such as Fredette or JT, would stay out of foul trouble in a zone. In fact with this batch of players where JT and Fredette aren't athletic but anticipate well and are able to take chances in passing lanes I would think a zone would be beneficial. It would allow Fredette and JT to anticipate and take chances but instead of a player being left open if they miss it is an area. Further, zones are beaten by outside shooting and the history of the MC indicates that teams shoot poorly there. Obviously road teams don't shoot well, but opposing teams frequently shoot worse in the MC than they do in their other road games. I think it could be a huge benefit at home, hurt on the road and probably be a benefit in neutral court games.

I was just wondering about this question from a strategic perspective.

Boobs are in!

In my experience. Zones are tough to rebound out of because it isn't always clear who is supposed to box out whom. Teams that rely on boxing out to get boards, struggle to rebound out of the zone. Teams which jump well and have guys who smell the ball well, tend to rebound OK out of a zone.

It is also tough to rebound out of a zone because, most zones require you to allow the offensive player between you and the hoop at some point. That gives the offensive player better initial position when the shot goes up. I don't know any man to man system that requires the same.

'Cuse doesn't get the same type of players we get. They also rebound with all 5 on the defensive end. We typically rebound on D with 3 or 4 and release the others. You can't release like that in a zone. Everyone has to scramble to find someone and put a butt on them.

I think our real problem in the zone has historically been our disgusting weakside play. Our rotation on the weakside has always killed us when we are in a zone. Last nights zone was more than a little different than our usual zone.

[KillerDog]

You can now join Solon as a pallbearer.

It was a compliment, play-AH. Understated I suppose, but a compliment nonetheless. Hartsock appears to have a feel for the game, much more so that Miles does; where to be and what to do. A great option for smaller lineups and a good way to mix it up when he comes in for JT. That we're seeing this now after his recent return from serving God bodes well for the future of Cougar BB, when he gets his "basketball legs." You'll find no bigger fan, and the name is a wonderful bonus.

Schoff is an ideal. You seem to have missed that.

Yet, I forgive you.

At the start of the season it seemed clear Noah would be the guy he was last night. I hope he can become that guy for more than a game or two. I wonder why no one is complaining about his 33% foul shooting last night.

[Goatnapper'96]

In my experience. Zones are tough to rebound out of because it isn't always clear who is supposed to box out whom. Teams that rely on boxing out to get boards, struggle to rebound out of the zone. Teams which jump well and have guys who smell the ball well, tend to rebound OK out of a zone.

It is also tough to rebound out of a zone because, most zones require you to allow the offensive player between you and the hoop at some point. That gives the offensive player better initial position when the shot goes up. I don't know any man to man system that requires the same.

'Cuse doesn't get the same type of players we get. They also rebound with all 5 on the defensive end. We typically rebound on D with 3 or 4 and release the others. You can't release like that in a zone. Everyone has to scramble to find someone and put a butt on them.

I think our real problem in the zone has historically been our disgusting weakside play. Our rotation on the weakside has always killed us when we are in a zone. Last nights zone was more than a little different than our usual zone.

To a certain extent won't forcing teams to respect and react to BYU's execution in the transitional game mitigate the rebounding woes as the opposing team is gambling if they crash the boards and don't drop back sufficient defenders to pick up BYU's releasing shooters?

I think the final analysis is that zone's require guys who can react and smell the ball, i.e. athletic, but the man to man allows BYU's less athletic players an advantage by boxing out better. If BYU can overcome the lack of athleticism by superior size perhaps a zone would work better.

[Goatnapper'96]

At the start of the season it seemed clear Noah would be the guy he was last night. I hope he can become that guy for more than a game or two. I wonder why no one is complaining about his 33% foul shooting last night.

I have long felt that this kid was going to be really good. His emergence as a player could result in Tavernari seeing some time at the 3 next year.

Is BYU going to renew scholarships for both Pinegar and MacGregor? I think it would be good if BYU could find potentially a diamond in the rough pg that they could redshirt for a year and perhaps a JC 4/5 as an insurance policy.

I also once thought that Abouo was on a fastrack to start next year but I think if BYU finds a reliable JC 4/5 or Davies ends up playing some 4 next year and BYU shifts Tavernari down to the 3, save when BYU puts Hartsock at the 5 and goes smallball, methinks Abouo is a prime candidate to redshirt and develop his offensive game.