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  • Before last night I thought BYU was equal to last year

    but now I think that BYU isn't quite as good as last year. I don't think it is a huge gap, but I never bought the claim that BYU had improved this year. BYU of last year doesn't lose that game. I have been shocked by the regression in Cummard's game this year. Last year he was actually a clutch performer, with the exception of the NCAA tournament, but this year he has been disappearing. I wasn't even sure he was on the court for the last 30 minutes of the game.

    Wink Adams has sucked this year, but when he turns it on the guy is great. He made some insane shots last night.

    I really think the turning point in the game was at the beginning of the second half where the refs decided to swallow their whistles, on both sides of the court. That allowed UNLV to get into their game of just swarming and creating chaos on the defensive end. I turned to my brother and said if the refs continue to call the game this way, the Rebels will win.

    My favorite play of the game was BYU has a 3 on 1 break. They kick it out to JT and he shoots a fade away 3 pointer. It is bad enough shooting a 3 pointer in that situation, but it is inexcusable to not at least set your feet and take your time on the shot. JT has really improved on his defense and rebounding, but he is still a gunner with terrible shot selection.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
    My favorite play of the game was BYU has a 3 on 1 break. They kick it out to JT and he shoots a fade away 3 pointer. It is bad enough shooting a 3 pointer in that situation, but it is inexcusable to not at least set your feet and take your time on the shot. JT has really improved on his defense and rebounding, but he is still a gunner with terrible shot selection.
    Another one that drove me nuts was when we had a three on one fast break with the ball in the middle. Automatic layup, right? JT was one of the wings and he faded out to the three point line. The ball-handler could have passed it to the wing for an easy layup but instead he kicked it out to JT who then bricked the shot. Argh....
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
      Another one that drove me nuts was when we had a three on one fast break with the ball in the middle. Automatic layup, right? JT was one of the wings and he faded out to the three point line. The ball-handler could have passed it to the wing for an easy layup but instead he kicked it out to JT who then bricked the shot. Argh....
      Shades of Gary Crowton.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
        Shades of Gary Crowton.

        "I wanted to win by x, not y."
        It's a mindset that I thought JT had left behind him, but he seems to be returning to it. That he didn't go to the basket on the 3-1 break is mind-numbing. Instead he heads to the corner. Who does that?!?!?!?!?
        Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

        For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
          It's a mindset that I thought JT had left behind him, but he seems to be returning to it. That he didn't go to the basket on the 3-1 break is mind-numbing. Instead he heads to the corner. Who does that?!?!?!?!?
          I think he got the idea from Richie Cunningham.

          After making a free throw and became a hero. Then Richie got drunk with the accolades and started gunning it from outside - making the majority of the shots and becoming a demigod- then when it came time to hit free throws again, he choked.

          Richie learned that glory is fleeting.

          The difference is that Tavernari has yet to hit the shots.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Another one that drove me nuts was when we had a three on one fast break with the ball in the middle. Automatic layup, right? JT was one of the wings and he faded out to the three point line. The ball-handler could have passed it to the wing for an easy layup but instead he kicked it out to JT who then bricked the shot. Argh....
            I actually liked that play. JT had made a 3 on the last possession. Jimmer was setting him up the whole time. He drew the defender in and kicked off for wide open, set shot, 3. JT hurried it a little. But making a split decision like Jimmer had to, I actually liked the decision.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jay santos View Post
              I actually liked that play. JT had made a 3 on the last possession. Jimmer was setting him up the whole time. He drew the defender in and kicked off for wide open, set shot, 3. JT hurried it a little. But making a split decision like Jimmer had to, I actually liked the decision.
              You would pick a chance at a three over a sure-thing layup? And you coach basketball?
              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                You would pick a chance at a three over a sure-thing layup? And you coach basketball?
                My team is 12 year olds. Deciding whether to pull up and hit a three or go to the rim on a fast break isn't an issue.

                It didn't look like a sure thing layup. UNLV had a guy back and a guy trailing. It was crowded in the middle. Maybe I remember it differently. JT wide open from three right when he made a three last time down the court is a great option. A point guard has to have great instincts to compute all the information and all the probabilities. I thought it was actually a demonstration of Jimmer being a smart point guard, dishing to the hot hand for an open 3.

                At any rate, the fast break is not BYU's problem so this is not particularly salient, just a point of interest.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                  My team is 12 year olds. Deciding whether to pull up and hit a three or go to the rim on a fast break isn't an issue.

                  It didn't look like a sure thing layup. UNLV had a guy back and a guy trailing. It was crowded in the middle. Maybe I remember it differently. JT wide open from three right when he made a three last time down the court is a great option. A point guard has to have great instincts to compute all the information and all the probabilities. I thought it was actually a demonstration of Jimmer being a smart point guard, dishing to the hot hand for an open 3.

                  At any rate, the fast break is not BYU's problem so this is not particularly salient, just a point of interest.
                  The wing on the left looked wide open to me. If the defender shifted his position it was probably because he saw JT fade and knew he didn't have to guard him. Either way it was a classic three-on-one that should result in either a two or a two-plus-one ninety percent of the time. I put this right up there with the lazy effort on the loose ball. These things add up.
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • #10
                    Interesting stat on Tavernari. He has the lowest 3-point FG percentage of anyone on BYU. He has also shot nearly twice as many three pointers as anyone else on the team (140 for JT, 73 for Fredette).

                    JT is every bit the gunner that he has been in the past. His gunner nature has just been masked by his improvements on defense and the other elements of his game.
                    As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                    --Kendrick Lamar

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                      Interesting stat on Tavernari. He has the lowest 3-point FG percentage of anyone on BYU. He has also shot nearly twice as many three pointers as anyone else on the team (140 for JT, 73 for Fredette).

                      JT is every bit the gunner that he has been in the past. His gunner nature has just been masked by his improvements on defense and the other elements of his game.
                      Yeah, he is still the gunner, but earlier he seemed to bringing more of his game inside the three-point line. The past couple games he seems to be spending more time out there. He has proved he can be more than one-demensional, and a much better player when he is.
                      Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                      For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                      Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                      • #12
                        I posted this on cb, but here are some other interesting JT things:

                        Jonathan Tavernari is shooting 34% from three point land. He is shooting almost 8 three points a game, making, on average, about 2.5 of them. He has more shots from 3-point land than he does from 2-point land.

                        On a sidenote, Lawrence Bohra, Tyler Kepkay, Shaun Green and Luka Drca are all shooting a higher percentage and all taking at least 2 three pointers a game.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by UteStar View Post
                          I posted this on cb, but here are some other interesting JT things:

                          Jonathan Tavernari is shooting 34% from three point land. He is shooting almost 8 three points a game, making, on average, about 2.5 of them. He has more shots from 3-point land than he does from 2-point land.

                          On a sidenote, Lawrence Bohra, Tyler Kepkay, Shaun Green and Luka Drca are all shooting a higher percentage and all taking at least 2 three pointers a game.
                          Please dont bring your recycled CB garbage here. We want originality damn it!
                          *Banned*

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by UteStar View Post
                            I posted this on cb, but here are some other interesting JT things:

                            Jonathan Tavernari is shooting 34% from three point land. He is shooting almost 8 three points a game, making, on average, about 2.5 of them. He has more shots from 3-point land than he does from 2-point land.

                            On a sidenote, Lawrence Bohra, Tyler Kepkay, Shaun Green and Luka Drca are all shooting a higher percentage and all taking at least 2 three pointers a game.
                            I would kill to watch one 3 hour practice coached by Majerus where Tavernari was on the squad. I would love to see JT wait delicately, poised to shoot "doin' his homework" as the great coach Marty Fletcher would say, while a long rebound bounces close to him and a stocky PG outhustles him to it. The blackhole of vulgarity, references to Tavernari's manhood and the marital status of his parents at the time of his conception would be a site to behold.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                              I would kill to watch one 3 hour practice coached by Majerus where Tavernari was on the squad. I would love to see JT wait delicately, poised to shoot "doin' his homework" as the great coach Marty Fletcher would say, while a long rebound bounces close to him and a stocky PG outhustles him to it. The blackhole of vulgarity, references to Tavernari's manhood and the marital status of his parents at the time of his conception would be a site to behold.
                              I can't help but be laughing about this.
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