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    Big differences between MWC men's and women's tourney formats

    The women's #1 and #2 seeds get byes clear until the semifinals, which is huge if the conference's goal is to match #1 vs. #2 in the championship game:

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...bl-bracket.pdf

    While in the men's format, as most of us know, seeds 3 thru 7 get equal the byes that #1 and #2 get:

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...bl-bracket.pdf

    Anyone know the background on why they're different?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by scottie View Post
    The women's #1 and #2 seeds get byes clear until the semifinals, which is huge if the conference's goal is to match #1 vs. #2 in the championship game:

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...bl-bracket.pdf

    While in the men's format, as most of us know, seeds 3 thru 7 get equal the byes that #1 and #2 get:

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...bl-bracket.pdf

    Anyone know the background on why they're different?
    I just noticed this myself. 4 vs 9, 5 vs. 8. winners play, then the winner of that plays the 1 seed.

    On the other side, 6 vs 7, winner plays 3, then the winner of that plays the 2 seed.

    Seems like a very strange format.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by scottie View Post
      The women's #1 and #2 seeds get byes clear until the semifinals, which is huge if the conference's goal is to match #1 vs. #2 in the championship game:

      http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...bl-bracket.pdf

      While in the men's format, as most of us know, seeds 3 thru 7 get equal the byes that #1 and #2 get:

      http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...bl-bracket.pdf

      Anyone know the background on why they're different?

      A bunch of the ladies coaches complained about the lower seeds hurting the higher seeds rpi.

      IIRC most of the coaches wanted the change. They might have even voted on it and the conference decided to go with it.

      I guess they are 2 different philosophies. The men want to get as many in the tournament as possible. The ladies want the highest seeds possible.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by beefytee View Post
        A bunch of the ladies coaches complained about the lower seeds hurting the higher seeds rpi.

        IIRC most of the coaches wanted the change. They might have even voted on it and the conference decided to go with it.

        I guess they are 2 different philosophies. The men want to get as many in the tournament as possible. The ladies want the highest seeds possible.
        Ladies programs are far more established than the mens. The MWC mens' programs are still seeking respect. The ladies' have multiple programs with NCAA success over the past decade. My guess is if the current trend continues with the mens' programs you will see the men adopt the women's format as more programs are no longer "just happy to be there."

        I would like to point out that this reinforces my faith, as a believer who sees signs in all places I go, that boobs are in!
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        • #5
          http://heraldextra.com/sports/colleg...cc4c03286.html

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          • #6
            Money.

            Nobody wants to watch the women's games, but the conference has to have a conference tournament winner to send to the women's NCAA tournament. Giving the 1 and 2 seeds a bye until the semis means there are fewer games and fewer women's games = less lost revenue.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
              Money.

              Nobody wants to watch the women's games, but the conference has to have a conference tournament winner to send to the women's NCAA tournament. Giving the 1 and 2 seeds a bye until the semis means there are fewer games and fewer women's games = less lost revenue.
              I'm a glass half-full guy. Fewer games = fewer torn ACLs.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                Nobody wants to watch the women's games, but the conference has to have a conference tournament winner to send to the women's NCAA tournament. Giving the 1 and 2 seeds a bye until the semis means there are fewer games and fewer women's games = less lost revenue.
                Wow. You are exactly wrong. There are still 8 games to eliminate 8 teams on the way to determining the champion.

                One thing that does happen is that the tournament is drawn out. In this format, 6 teams are playing the first day and you still don't get to an eventual champion until 4 days later.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheBYUGuy View Post
                  Wow. You are exactly wrong. There are still 8 games to eliminate 8 teams on the way to determining the champion.

                  One thing that does happen is that the tournament is drawn out. In this format, 6 teams are playing the first day and you still don't get to an eventual champion until 4 days later.
                  If the womens #1 and #2 seeds get buys until the semis, there are 6 games. If the womens # and #2 play in the 2nd round, then there are 8 games.

                  Which is it? I don't care enough to look it up.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                    If the womens #1 and #2 seeds get buys until the semis, there are 6 games. If the womens # and #2 play in the 2nd round, then there are 8 games.

                    Which is it? I don't care enough to look it up.
                    I embarked on the odyssey to find it for you:

                    http://www.themwc.com/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by beefytee View Post
                      I embarked on the odyssey to find it for you:

                      http://www.themwc.com/
                      Ok, I was wrong about the number of games. There are 8. Thanks for that info, beefy.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                        Ok, I was wrong about the number of games. There are 8. Thanks for that info, beefy.
                        It would pretty much have to be, as it is difficult for more than one team to be eliminated in a single game. :-)

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