Is Glenn Beck Bad For America?

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  • JohnnyLingo
    La Naranja
    • Nov 2008
    • 3976

    #1

    Is Glenn Beck Bad For America?

    Thanks to wuap, I have read the Time cover story entitled "Mad Man: Is Glenn Beck Bad for America?" I also read the accompanying pieces "Heeeere's Glenn! When the Lunatic Fringe Tries Comedy" and "Glenn Beck: The Fears of a Clown."

    My thoughts:

    The writer of the cover piece clearly dislikes Beck... partially because Beck rails against media outlets like Time, and therefore the writer feels attacked. An understandable feeling, but I think David Von Drehle could have done a better job pushing his own feelings aside for the story.

    That said, Von Drehle makes good points, like the one below:

    Extreme talk, especially as practiced by a genuine talent like Beck, squeezes maximum profit from a relatively small, deeply invested audience, selling essentially the same product in multiple forms. The more the host is criticized, the more committed the original audience becomes. And the more committed the audience, the bigger target it presents to the rant industry on the other side of the spectrum.
    I cannot argue with the possibility that Beck is doing all of this for money, and that his methods are genius if you're interested in profit.

    The piece of Glenn's comedy tour is fine except that writer Joel Stein refers to Beck as the leader of the "lunatic fringe." I'm not sure you can refer to Beck's audience as a fringe at this point. Using "lunatic" there may just be a humor device, but taken at face value, it's an insult.

    And finally, the Clown writer makes no bones about his feelings for Beck: the man will fail, and good riddance. He does reference some of Beck's more controversial theories, while giving credence to ones that have turned out to be correct, however.

    Overall, nothing too spectacular. This is a mainstream media publication taking a closer look at someone they've disregarded for years and not really liking what they see. And they really make no bones about it.

    Which brings me to my question: is such an opinion proper for these pieces? For one of them, maybe? How much bias should a writer insert into writing like this?

    I believe opinion is at home on the Op-Ed page of the newspaper, on political talk shows like Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity and Keith Olbermann and in books that are not considered historical accounts.

    In all other venues, the rest of the newspaper, nightly news broadcasts, historical books, etc. the writer should work as hard as he or she can to eliminate traces of their own feelings from their work.

    Is this boring? Yes. Is it more difficult? Yes. But is it worthwhile? I believe so.

    Why? Well, primarily because these people set themselves apart as unbiased providers of news.

    This is also a good idea because ordinary people pick up on bias. They see when you use words and phrases that bely your bias, and decide they can't trust you, if you're claiming to be an impartial observer when in reality you are not.

    I believe the nation's news outlets are overall pretty lazy or unprincipled. I know it's always been that way, but is that a reason we should accept it? Or is this our fault? Does news reporting tinged with bias get better ratings? More readers? Maybe.

    It's a complicated question.
  • il Padrino Ute
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 19161

    #2
    I just think it's hilarious that Beck has ended Obama's string of 402 billion consecutive weeks on the cover of Time.

    I also find it ludicrous that so many in the media who operate under the freedom given them in the 1st Amendment want to silence Beck. He doesn't worship Obama. Boo hoo. Get over it Time and all others.
    "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


    "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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    • TheAzzuri
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 454

      #3
      Has Glenn Beck experienced a big jump in popularity lately? I don't really understand the new found attention that he seems to be receiving. I know he's animated and a bit kooky, but not anymore so than Coulter/Hannity/Limbaugh/Olbermann/Maddow/Garaffalo/Moore. These people make their living by targeting an audience.

      I just I don't understand what makes him relevant-moreso than the rest.

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      • HuskyFreeNorthwest
        Time to camp
        • Nov 2008
        • 26082

        #4
        I do not think he is bad for America, that would be foolish to say IMO. The people that believe he does what he does for anything but profit I believe are fooling themselves. The same is true of Rush, Hannity, Moore, Olbermann etc.

        Clearly Olbermann would rather be doing sports but burned every bridge in that world, so he turned to a schtick where people weren't sick of him yet. These pundits laugh along with the politicians they love/hate at the stupid masses for continuing to feed them. Beck doesn't hate Obama he LOVES him. Moore didn't hate W he LOVED him.
        Get confident, stupid
        -landpoke

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        • Viking
          Banned
          • Jun 2009
          • 6470

          #5
          He's an embarrassment to the LDS Church. He represents a faction of thought. Factionalism is good for America, provided there are plenty of them.

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          • RobinFinderson
            Banned
            • Nov 2008
            • 10548

            #6
            Originally posted by Viking View Post
            He's an embarrassment to the LDS Church. He represents a faction of thought. Factionalism is good for America, provided there are plenty of them.
            I was thinking the same thing. The country's biggest neo-McCarthyite is a well known Mormon. That can't be good for the church.

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            • UtahDan
              *
              • Nov 2008
              • 14496

              #7
              I don't think he is bad for America, but I do think he is bad for conservativism because that is what people identify him with.

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              • wuapinmon
                Soul Plumber
                • Dec 2008
                • 30711

                #8
                I don't think anyone who keeps the law is bad for America, really. Glenn Beck is bad for conservatism and the LDS Church. I do not want people to associate his inanity with me or my faith.
                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                • wuapinmon
                  Soul Plumber
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 30711

                  #9
                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  My thoughts:

                  The writer of the cover piece clearly dislikes Beck... partially because Beck rails against media outlets like Time, and therefore the writer feels attacked. An understandable feeling, but I think David Von Drehle could have done a better job pushing his own feelings aside for the story.
                  Why should he?

                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  I cannot argue with the possibility that Beck is doing all of this for money, and that his methods are genius if you're interested in profit.
                  It's not genius. It's demagoguery, which is nothing new. Beck is talented, folksy, and charismatic. Charlatans have been doing this since Yakov sold his elixir to the Inspector General.

                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  The piece of Glenn's comedy tour is fine except that writer Joel Stein refers to Beck as the leader of the "lunatic fringe." I'm not sure you can refer to Beck's audience as a fringe at this point. Using "lunatic" there may just be a humor device, but taken at face value, it's an insult.
                  Know your author. Joel Stein is a comic writer/journalist. He's famous for asking Jennifer Lopez, in an interview early in her rise to fame (circa 1998), "So, what's the deal with your butt?"


                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  Overall, nothing too spectacular. This is a mainstream media publication taking a closer look at someone they've disregarded for years and not really liking what they see. And they really make no bones about it.
                  Which is why Time's audience subscribes to Time. You only need to subscribe to that magazine for a month or so to see its agenda.

                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  Which brings me to my question: is such an opinion proper for these pieces? For one of them, maybe? How much bias should a writer insert into writing like this?
                  You're the professional writer, you tell us, Mr. Writerman [Shabba!]

                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  I believe opinion is at home on the Op-Ed page of the newspaper, on political talk shows like Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity and Keith Olbermann and in books that are not considered historical accounts.
                  Time is a magazine.

                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  In all other venues, the rest of the newspaper, nightly news broadcasts, historical books, etc. the writer should work as hard as he or she can to eliminate traces of their own feelings from their work.
                  Time is a magazine. People don't look for objectivity in a magazine. The idea of any mainstream media outlet not having a bias is wishful thinking and virtually impossible to guarantee.

                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  Is this boring? Yes. Is it more difficult? Yes. But is it worthwhile? I believe so.
                  It is boring, and no one would buy Time if it were merely a news aggregator. That's what the AP and The Week are for.


                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  Why? Well, primarily because these people set themselves apart as unbiased providers of news.
                  No, they don't. This is something you've absorbed.

                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  This is also a good idea because ordinary people pick up on bias. They see when you use words and phrases that bely your bias, and decide they can't trust you, if you're claiming to be an impartial observer when in reality you are not.
                  Who claims to be an impartial observer? Where have you seen that? Does any media outlet claim to be impartial anywhere in their mission statements?

                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  I believe the nation's news outlets are overall pretty lazy or unprincipled. I know it's always been that way, but is that a reason we should accept it? Or is this our fault? Does news reporting tinged with bias get better ratings? More readers? Maybe.
                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  It's a complicated question.
                  No, it's not. Of course it gets better ratings. No one watches CSPAN.
                  "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                  The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                  • JohnnyLingo
                    La Naranja
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 3976

                    #10
                    I believe our disagreements can be boiled down to two points.

                    1. You think the description "It's not genius. It's demagoguery, which is nothing new. Beck is talented, folksy, and charismatic. Charlatans have been doing this since Yakov sold his elixir to the Inspector General" applies to Glenn Beck, and I think it applies to President Obama.

                    2. You do not think news reporters should try to keep their bias out of their reporting. Times is a newsmagazine. As such, I believe it should hold itself to the same standards as newspapers, with leeway for sections clearly marked for Opinion.

                    You disagree. I don't think we're getting past that.

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                    • wuapinmon
                      Soul Plumber
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 30711

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                      I believe our disagreements can be boiled down to two points.

                      1. You think the description "It's not genius. It's demagoguery, which is nothing new. Beck is talented, folksy, and charismatic. Charlatans have been doing this since Yakov sold his elixir to the Inspector General" applies to Glenn Beck, and I think it applies to President Obama.

                      2. You do not think news reporters should try to keep their bias out of their reporting. Times is a newsmagazine. As such, I believe it should hold itself to the same standards as newspapers, with leeway for sections clearly marked for Opinion.

                      You disagree. I don't think we're getting past that.
                      No, we're not. Time, not Times, is a newsmagazine. It doesn't have to hold itself to any standard. It was founded by Henry Luce, for Pete's sake! Do you know nothing about its history or that of journalism? Are they going to change centuries of practice because Glenn Beck, who IS MAINSTREAM MEDIA TOO, says that it should, through you, his portavoz? No, they're not going to, and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that. People don't subscribe to magazines, news or otherwise, because they want straight facts.

                      Oxford: magazine, n.
                      A periodical publication containing articles by various writers; esp. one with stories, articles on general subjects, etc., and illustrated with pictures, or a similar publication prepared for a special-interest readership.
                      The use of the word (rather than periodical) typically indicates that the intended audience is not specifically academic.
                      "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                      The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                      • JohnnyLingo
                        La Naranja
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 3976

                        #12
                        You know what, wuap?

                        Calm down.

                        I'm not discussing anything with you if you can't stop sprinkling insults into your arguments.

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                        • wuapinmon
                          Soul Plumber
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 30711

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                          You know what, wuap?

                          Calm down.

                          I'm not discussing anything with you if you can't stop sprinkling insults into your arguments.
                          That works for me, necio. They're not sprinkled; they're purposeful today. Te advertí y no me prestaste atención.
                          Last edited by wuapinmon; 09-17-2009, 08:45 PM.
                          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                          • il Padrino Ute
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19161

                            #14
                            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                            It's not genius. It's demagoguery, which is nothing new. Beck Obama is talented, folksy elitist, and charismatic. Charlatans have been doing this since Yakov sold his elixir to the Inspector General.
                            I fixed that for you.
                            "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                            "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                            • JohnnyLingo
                              La Naranja
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 3976

                              #15
                              Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                              That works for me, necio. They're not sprinkled; they're purposeful today. Te advertí y no me prestaste atención.
                              Wuap, I'll pick this up with you tomorrow. Atako fa ilay fotoana no tokony ho marina, fa tsy lainga.

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