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This opinion of his frightens me:
http://home.uchicago.edu/~csunstei/celebrate.html
What utter nonsense.Without taxes there would be no liberty."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
"I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader
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I understand that taxes are necessary for some things, but I don't believe that taxes sustain liberty. IMO, liberty is freedom from government.Originally posted by YOhio View PostWhy is that? I think he has an interesting point."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
"I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader
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Wow! Then no one had more liberty than Jaycee Lee Dugard.Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View PostI understand that taxes are necessary for some things, but I don't believe that taxes sustain liberty. IMO, liberty is freedom from government.
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Definition of "Liberty"Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View PostI understand that taxes are necessary for some things, but I don't believe that taxes sustain liberty. IMO, liberty is freedom from government.
1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice
2 a : a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant : privilege b : permission especially to go freely within specified limits
3 : an action going beyond normal limits: as a : a breach of etiquette or propriety :
I think we all could use liberty in different ways...
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Are you in Northern Ohio?Originally posted by YOhio View PostSunstein's nomination has already cleared a filibuster, which was his biggest hurdle. I doubt he'll have a problem with his nomination.
If so, I think Voinovich was one of the ones who withdrew their name from holding this up. Along with Orin Hatch.
Did you care either way? And does it bother you that your Senator withdrew his name etc..
This goes to all.. I wonder how Utah will feel about Orin Hatch's withdrawl??
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All Sunstein is saying is that our taxes are vital in ensuring the portion I bolded. I don't see how that is "utter nonsense." In fact, I'd be interested in seeing how these rights can be guaranteed without taxes.Originally posted by dabrockster View PostDefinition of "Liberty"
1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice
2 a : a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant : privilege b : permission especially to go freely within specified limits
3 : an action going beyond normal limits: as a : a breach of etiquette or propriety :
I think we all could use liberty in different ways...
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To your question: I think this goes more to the heart of imposing programs that others do not want or will effect their enjoyment of what you bolded.. They are taxed for something they do not want nor enjoy and therefore are being forced to pay for it.. In short, I think this is what they consider to be an infringement of their own Liberties...Originally posted by YOhio View PostAll Sunstein is saying is that our taxes are vital in ensuring the portion I bolded. I don't see how that is "utter nonsense." In fact, I'd be interested in seeing how these rights can be guaranteed without taxes.
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I'm in Dayton. It doesn't bother me at all. The POTUS has significant freedom guaranteed by the constitution to appoint whom he chooses and I haven't seen a persuasive argument that Sunstein would be unfit for the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.Originally posted by dabrockster View PostAre you in Northern Ohio?
If so, I think Voinovich was one of the ones who withdrew their name from holding this up. Along with Orin Hatch.
Did you care either way? And does it bother you that your Senator withdrew his name etc..
This goes to all.. I wonder how Utah will feel about Orin Hatch's withdrawl??
Do you have any?
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Your talking about taxes in addition to those required to guarantee the "positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges." I'm not. How can those rights and privileges that comprise liberty be guaranteed without taxes?Originally posted by dabrockster View PostTo your question: I think this goes more to the heart of imposing programs that others do not want or will effect their enjoyment of what you bolded.. They are taxed for something they do not want nor enjoy and therefore are being forced to pay for it.. In short, I think this is what they consider to be an infringement of their own Liberties...
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Pretty much so, yes, in the sense that I want to live with as little government intervention as necessary. Liberty is freedom to live as I wish, so long as I don't prevent others from living as they wish.Originally posted by YOhio View PostYour definition of liberty is freedom from government?
Sunstein seems to imply that taxes are the reason people are able to earn a living. I disagree. I don't need to pay taxes to provide the service to my customers that helps them make their living. His most ridiculous comment is in the last paragraph:
WTF? Perhaps someone could explain to me why that is. I believe that dependency is created because there is no liberty. When one is not free to pursue what one wants, dependency is the result.There is no liberty without dependency."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
"I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader
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