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  • Cass Sustein: Will he be voted in?

    Do you think he will have any impact in this position (Positive or Negative)?

  • #2
    This opinion of his frightens me:

    http://home.uchicago.edu/~csunstei/celebrate.html

    Without taxes there would be no liberty.
    What utter nonsense.
    "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


    "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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    • #3
      Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
      This opinion of his frightens me:

      http://home.uchicago.edu/~csunstei/celebrate.html

      What utter nonsense.
      Why is that? I think he has an interesting point.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
        Why is that? I think he has an interesting point.
        I understand that taxes are necessary for some things, but I don't believe that taxes sustain liberty. IMO, liberty is freedom from government.
        "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


        "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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        • #5
          Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
          I understand that taxes are necessary for some things, but I don't believe that taxes sustain liberty. IMO, liberty is freedom from government.
          Wow! Then no one had more liberty than Jaycee Lee Dugard.

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          • #6
            Sunstein's nomination has already cleared a filibuster, which was his biggest hurdle. I doubt he'll have a problem with his nomination.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
              I understand that taxes are necessary for some things, but I don't believe that taxes sustain liberty. IMO, liberty is freedom from government.
              Your definition of liberty is freedom from government?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                I understand that taxes are necessary for some things, but I don't believe that taxes sustain liberty. IMO, liberty is freedom from government.
                Definition of "Liberty"

                1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice
                2 a : a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant : privilege b : permission especially to go freely within specified limits
                3 : an action going beyond normal limits: as a : a breach of etiquette or propriety :


                I think we all could use liberty in different ways...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                  Sunstein's nomination has already cleared a filibuster, which was his biggest hurdle. I doubt he'll have a problem with his nomination.
                  Are you in Northern Ohio?

                  If so, I think Voinovich was one of the ones who withdrew their name from holding this up. Along with Orin Hatch.

                  Did you care either way? And does it bother you that your Senator withdrew his name etc..


                  This goes to all.. I wonder how Utah will feel about Orin Hatch's withdrawl??

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                    Definition of "Liberty"

                    1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice
                    2 a : a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant : privilege b : permission especially to go freely within specified limits
                    3 : an action going beyond normal limits: as a : a breach of etiquette or propriety :


                    I think we all could use liberty in different ways...
                    All Sunstein is saying is that our taxes are vital in ensuring the portion I bolded. I don't see how that is "utter nonsense." In fact, I'd be interested in seeing how these rights can be guaranteed without taxes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                      All Sunstein is saying is that our taxes are vital in ensuring the portion I bolded. I don't see how that is "utter nonsense." In fact, I'd be interested in seeing how these rights can be guaranteed without taxes.
                      To your question: I think this goes more to the heart of imposing programs that others do not want or will effect their enjoyment of what you bolded.. They are taxed for something they do not want nor enjoy and therefore are being forced to pay for it.. In short, I think this is what they consider to be an infringement of their own Liberties...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                        Are you in Northern Ohio?

                        If so, I think Voinovich was one of the ones who withdrew their name from holding this up. Along with Orin Hatch.

                        Did you care either way? And does it bother you that your Senator withdrew his name etc..


                        This goes to all.. I wonder how Utah will feel about Orin Hatch's withdrawl??
                        I'm in Dayton. It doesn't bother me at all. The POTUS has significant freedom guaranteed by the constitution to appoint whom he chooses and I haven't seen a persuasive argument that Sunstein would be unfit for the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.

                        Do you have any?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                          To your question: I think this goes more to the heart of imposing programs that others do not want or will effect their enjoyment of what you bolded.. They are taxed for something they do not want nor enjoy and therefore are being forced to pay for it.. In short, I think this is what they consider to be an infringement of their own Liberties...
                          Your talking about taxes in addition to those required to guarantee the "positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges." I'm not. How can those rights and privileges that comprise liberty be guaranteed without taxes?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                            Your definition of liberty is freedom from government?
                            Pretty much so, yes, in the sense that I want to live with as little government intervention as necessary. Liberty is freedom to live as I wish, so long as I don't prevent others from living as they wish.

                            Sunstein seems to imply that taxes are the reason people are able to earn a living. I disagree. I don't need to pay taxes to provide the service to my customers that helps them make their living. His most ridiculous comment is in the last paragraph:

                            There is no liberty without dependency.
                            WTF? Perhaps someone could explain to me why that is. I believe that dependency is created because there is no liberty. When one is not free to pursue what one wants, dependency is the result.
                            "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                            "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                              Pretty much so, yes, in the sense that I want to live with as little government intervention as necessary.
                              Do you recognize that government, however minimal, is required for a society to enjoy liberty?

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