Second amendment loonies

[Colly Wolly]

I think it's great that we get to go the rounds on this topic every couple of weeks. Never gets old baby.

Pussy-ass liberals want to require everyone to outsource their personal protection to an untrustworthy, unreliable, and inefficient government. They are anti-American, government control freaks.

Crazy-ass gun nuts want to blast on anyone who looks at them sideways. They can't be trusted to be responsible with firearms in public. They are paranoid delusionals. Guns are to dangerous to operate safely and effectively, unless you are a law enforcement officer.

Aren't those the arguments on both sides?

[wuapinmon]

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Aren't those the arguments on both sides?

No, they're not.

[Indy Coug]

How was Kennedy making our communities safer? Or are you falling for the lies the anti gunners promotes that when they remove weapons the streets will all the sudden get safer? Sure they will, just go to Mexico and see how safe you are, right now. after all it is illegal to own a weapon in Mexico.

Yeah the guy is a buffoon, he doesn't agree with your viewpoint on handguns so he is a buffoon.

If you want to make an applicable comparison, compare the US against Western Europe. When Western Europe's gun control laws finally result in more people dying there than in the US, let me know.

[RobinFinderson]

Wow....someone's feeling testy. I think firearms have a place in our society, the hands of those sworn to protect us. No one needs to own a gun privately. The 2nd Amendment is as outdated as a laserdisc player. The police can protect us from crime, and the Army from invasion. What we need to control crime are tighter gun control laws.

Guns are fun. It would be a sad day of an American baby were ever to be born into a world in which s/he would never be able to blow some shit up by shooting it with a gun.

I'm not a 2nd amendment fanatic, but I like shooting guns, and I would like Little Robin to enjoy the pleasure of the boom stick, and I would like to take my grandchildren out to shoot the side of a refrigerator, or couch, or some such nonsense. Guns are fun.

[JohnnyLingo]

Maybe maybe maybe... Too much speculation, not enough facts. There's only one solid fact in the Virginia Tech shooting, son: At least one person at Virginia Tech DID have guns, and he DID kill people with them.

And shame on you for using what happened in Blacksburg as a means of pushing your own political agenda. Pathetic.

Tim, that statement was qualified with a "maybe." No real reason to get so upset. He was expressing an opinion.

[bball3212]

Maybe maybe maybe... Too much speculation, not enough facts. There's only one solid fact in the Virginia Tech shooting, son: At least one person at Virginia Tech DID have guns, and he DID kill people with them.

And shame on you for using what happened in Blacksburg as a means of pushing your own political agenda. Pathetic.

The point was the man who carried out the tragedy did not use a legally obtained gun, and if more people did carry conceal weapons, there is a greater chance of stopping things like that.

[Eddie]

I will readily admit that I tend to weigh in on the side of gun owners, though I am not against gun owners being responsible and having laws that make sense. So with that disclosure in place...

On the contrary my good man, the cops do protect. To protect and to serve is on the side of their cruisers in many a locale .

It's been a while and maybe someone else knows more about this than I, but haven't there been lawsuits against police forces in which the basic court finding was that the police cannot be held responsible to protect all of the populous? I believe their role is to "serve and protect". I don't believe they can be in all places at all times. If I am correct about the court outcomes, then it perhaps they aren't necessarily held to the standard of protection you would like.

Societies like Spain and Japan, where owning a gun is very difficult, do not have issues with violent crime the way we do. Sure criminals will always have guns, but I don't think an armed populace does anything but add bravado-soaked fuel to a tinderbox fire.

There is certainly some truth the bravado-soaked fuel arguement. There will always be some that have that - and in some ways guns and gunfights are part of American history. From that sense - I don't think you can compare the US to European nations. But if we do choose to compare the US to others - you name Spain and Japan as a couple - aren't there other societies where owning a gun is not so difficult, and yet they don't have the same issues with violent crime as the US?


I don't think anyone likes violent crime - so we are all on the same page there. We just disagree on how to address it.

I don't think removing guns is practical as a solution to reducing gun violence. We are already beyond that. There are too many, they will never all be found. It might be the quickest and easiest solution, if it were to work, for sure. But would it work?

I also think that removing guns is just putting on a bandaid. It addresses a symptom, but not the problem. The US is a violent society. And with violence already being an issue in this society - how would those who would act out violently respond if having guns was more difficult? Do you really think they would just stop? I don't.


While it is somewhat trite as a statement, I tend to believe the hommage that if guns are outlawed, then only the outlaws will have guns. And that doesn't help with the problem. I suspect that any reduction in violent crime you may see would be minimal at best.

[bluegoose]

The point was the man who carried out the tragedy did not use a legally obtained gun, and if more people did carry conceal weapons, there is a greater chance of stopping things like that.

I seem to recall that he did obtain them legally, aside from some non-disclosure on his background check of his prior psychiatric evaluations.

And i don't buy for a second that looser gun laws would have prevented or minimzed the extent of the tragedy at Blacksburg. He was a very motivated shooter with a lot more firepower than anything anyone in that classroom would have been carrying.

[outlier]

The 2nd Amendment is as outdated as a laserdisc player.

If you'd like to amend the constitution, then amend the damn constitution. In the meantime, abide by it. It shouldn't matter whether *you* think I have a reason to own a gun. What should matter is that my choosing to have one has no impact on you whatsoever.

I don't understand this need for people to control others whose actions have no detrimental impact on you personally. Please get over it soon. I'm sick of state-loving lunatics.

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[outlier]

When Western Europe's gun control laws finally result in more people dying there than in the US, let me know.

Yes, because the only thing different between the US and Europe is gun laws. That's some awful, awful shortcutting you're doing, bro. I've also seen similar "studies" that show that crime is higher in the US than Europe because we go to church. Neither of these conclusions considers that there are probably a large number of factors that play into crime rates and that it may well be that neither gun ownership NOR propensity to worship are actual contributors.

Please use better rhetoric.

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[RobinFinderson]

I don't understand this need for people to control others whose actions have no detrimental impact on you personally. Please get over it soon. I'm sick of state-loving lunatics.

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Having a high general degree of access to guns is going to have a broader impact on 3rd parties than something as benign as gay people getting married. I don't really know where you stand on the gay marriage issue, outlier, but I would hope that you would apply the same line of reasoning to gay marriage that you apply to gun ownership.

[creekster]

I would hope that you would apply the same line of reasoning to gay marriage that you apply to gun ownership.

You think he should keep a a big powerful married gay around in case he needs to protect himself in the aftermath of a social disaster?

[PaloAltoCougar]

I've got problems with Bill Maher on occasion, but his rip on the guys bringing assault weapons into Chipotle and Wendy's is very funny and spot on. Those who pack heat this way do far more to hurt their position than the most rabid anti-gun types.

Watch the video on this page; the YouTube version seems to have lousy audio.

[Uncle Ted]

I've got problems with Bill Maher on occasion, but his rip on the guys bringing assault weapons into Chipotle and Wendy's is very funny and spot on. Those who pack heat this way do far more to hurt their position than the most rabid anti-gun types.

Watch the video on this page; the YouTube version seems to have lousy audio.

That is pretty funny.

Hey, is that Anthony Wiener on his show? I was wondering what happened to him after his 'rise and fall'...

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[frank ryan]

I've got problems with Bill Maher on occasion, but his rip on the guys bringing assault weapons into Chipotle and Wendy's is very funny and spot on. Those who pack heat this way do far more to hurt their position than the most rabid anti-gun types.

Watch the video on this page; the YouTube version seems to have lousy audio.

Maher can be a prick but that bit was hilarious