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  • SoonerCoug
    Joycelyn Elders Supporter
    • Nov 2008
    • 4680

    #1

    Cambridge cop is a liar.

    He claimed that he spoke to the 911 caller on the scene and that she told him that she saw two black men. Sgt. Jim Crowley lied:

    "Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene," Murphy told CNN by phone. "And she never said to any police officer or to anybody 'two black men.' She never used the word 'black.' Period."

    She added, "I'm not sure what the police explanation will be. Frankly, I don't care. Her only goal is to make it clear she never described them as black. She never saw their race. ... All she reported was behavior, not skin color."

    Calls to the Cambridge Police Department about the issue have not been returned. Police Commissioner Robert Haas told reporters at a news conference Monday that the 911 tape and police transmission from that day "speak for themselves, and I would ask that you form your own opinion." He added that police always ask themselves: "If I had to do it over again, what would I have done differently?"

    "This matter is not resolved," Haas said. "We have a long way to go. We recognize that we are going to take advantage of the situation and we're going to learn from it. We're going to move forward."

    In the police report, filed by Crowley, he says he spoke with Whalen outside the home before he approached Gates' house.

    "She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of Ware Street," the report says. "She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry."

    Also, when you listen to the 911 call, the caller repeatedly makes it very clear that she thinks the people might just be living there and having a hard time with their key.
    Last edited by SoonerCoug; 07-27-2009, 05:22 PM.
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  • The_Tick
    Made something of myself
    • Nov 2008
    • 7283

    #2
    So she couldn't be covering her tracks?

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    • SoonerCoug
      Joycelyn Elders Supporter
      • Nov 2008
      • 4680

      #3
      Originally posted by The_Tick View Post
      So she couldn't be covering her tracks?
      Listen to the 911 call. It's a calm lady saying that she thinks it might have been a hispanic guy, but she really couldn't identify race for sure. She also repeatedly says that she thinks these men might just live there and be having trouble with their key, and that she's calling because there is an elderly lady who is being a careful neighbor.
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      • ERCougar
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 10978

        #4
        Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
        Listen to the 911 call. It's a calm lady saying that she thinks it might have been a hispanic guy, but she really couldn't identify race for sure. She also repeatedly says that she thinks these men might just live there and be having trouble with their key, and that she's calling because there is an elderly lady who is being a careful neighbor.
        He shows the cop his ID and nothing happens. Which is exactly what nearly every person in the country (who didn't have an axe to grind) would do in this situation.
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        • SoonerCoug
          Joycelyn Elders Supporter
          • Nov 2008
          • 4680

          #5
          Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
          He shows the cop his ID and nothing happens. Which is exactly what nearly every person in the country (who didn't have an axe to grind) would do in this situation.
          Well the cop mentions the ID and gives Gates' name in his radio transmission. I'm not sure whether the transmission about the ID took place before or after Gates was put in cuffs. I really think Chappelle's prophecy might not be that far from the truth.

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          Last edited by SoonerCoug; 07-27-2009, 05:47 PM.
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          • SoonerCoug
            Joycelyn Elders Supporter
            • Nov 2008
            • 4680

            #6
            Furthermore, Crowley said that Gates was screaming so loudly that he couldn't hear himself think during his radio transmissions. You can hear Gates in the background on the recordings, but it sure doesn't sound like he's screaming.
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            • Colly Wolly
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 1824

              #7
              nope.

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              • il Padrino Ute
                Junior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 19161

                #8
                link?
                "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


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                • SoonerCoug
                  Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 4680

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Colly Wolly View Post
                  nope.
                  Why do you say nope? I'll bet you wrote that without even listening to the 911 call or the radio transmissions.
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                  • ERCougar
                    Junior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 10978

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                    Well the cop mentions the ID and gives Gates' name in his radio transmission. I'm not sure whether the transmission about the ID took place before or after Gates was put in cuffs. I really think Chappelle's prophecy might not be that far from the truth.

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                    Well, given that I know nothing about this lady's background (or motivations) and a whole bunch about the cop's background, I'm not sure we should automatically assume he's a liar and she's not. Hasn't everyone pretty much agreed that Gates was not forthcoming with his ID when asked?
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                    • il Padrino Ute
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19161

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SoonerCoug View Post
                      Why do you say nope? I'll bet you wrote that without even listening to the 911 call or the radio transmissions.
                      Did you post your comment without reading the police report?
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                      • SoonerCoug
                        Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 4680

                        #12
                        Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                        link?
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                        • Jarid in Cedar
                          CS Institutional Memory
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 13234

                          #13
                          The trouble is not that there is a discrepancy between accounts or the fact that there may be a racist cop in cambridge, but that the president decided to interject a comment about race which gave this story legs that it would not have had otherwise.
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                          • il Padrino Ute
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19161

                            #14
                            MSNBC - the font of fairness.

                            If you're going to post a link, at least make sure it's to a source that isn't biased.

                            I never post links to Fox News, despite preferring that it's slanted to a conservative view.
                            "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                            "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                            • SoonerCoug
                              Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 4680

                              #15
                              Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                              Did you post your comment without reading the police report?
                              I read the police report. In the police report, Crowley says that he spoke with the 911 caller and that she told him that she saw two black men. This is a lie. He also said that Gates was screaming so loudly that he couldn't hear himself think during his transmissions, which is also a lie. You can hear Gates in the background on the transmissions, and he isn't screaming.

                              There is nothing wrong with Contempt of Cop in your own home. Gates was mean to the cop and demanding a name and badge number, but that's not justification for arrest. This cop felt like he wasn't being respected, so he arrested Gates. Crowley complained that he couldn't hear his radio because of shouting while he was in Gates' kitchen. That's not justification for arrest. You're allowed to shout within your own home. Based on Crowley's lies that have already been confirmed, I'm skeptical about the rest of his story.
                              Last edited by SoonerCoug; 07-27-2009, 06:18 PM.
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