Utah Senator Mitt Romney Thread

[wuapinmon]

That is an embarrassingly poor study published in a junk journal. They never should have done that press release.

Just curious about how you know it's a junk journal. I can tell in my field, but in the sciences, how do you determine which journals carry rigor and which ones do not?

[CardiacCoug]

Just curious about how you know it's a junk journal. I can tell in my field, but in the sciences, how do you determine which journals carry rigor and which ones do not?

Impact Factor is the main way you do it.

The New England Journal of Medicine is like a 70 and that weird “oxidative medicine” journal is 4.8 which means it’s garbage. So I agree with Lebowski!

[wuapinmon]

Impact Factor is the main way you do it.

The New England Journal of Medicine is like a 70 and that weird “oxidative medicine” journal is 4.8 which means it’s garbage. So I agree with Lebowski!

Interesting. That's not something that would be very scientific in my field, as I doubt that any journal would have a high impact score, even the revered ones like MLN and PMLA. A cursory search shows that PMLA, the flagship journal of the Modern Language Association has an impact score of 0.33. The pace of research and citations in other journals vs books and book chapters is far slower. And, so much of humanities research is specialized into esoterica that it's not like ALL of us are researching the same thing (medicine/health) at all. I research Borges, as do others, but I can't really have a conversation, in depth, about Borges or Latin-American Literature unless I leave my college and go to a conference. And, even then, it'd have to be a conference on Borges for me to be sure that everyone had read the works I was talking about.

My dissertation director gave me some great advice....."Mac, be a Latin-American generalist, not a specialist. Specialists have a hard time getting jobs. No one has ever taken this advice, but, I keep giving it." I am a Latin-American generalist. I didn't specialize in any one thing, and I wrote my dissertation about one of the most-read and most-anthologized writers in the world.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Just curious about how you know it's a junk journal. I can tell in my field, but in the sciences, how do you determine which journals carry rigor and which ones do not?

Impact Factor is the main way you do it.

The New England Journal of Medicine is like a 70 and that weird “oxidative medicine” journal is 4.8 which means it’s garbage. So I agree with Lebowski!

This is an obscure open access journal from a publishing company in Cairo, Egypt. I love the open access movement, but most open access journals are junk at this point. The impact factors get inflated because researchers in the third world can't pay the ridiculous subscription fees charged by Elsevier, Springer, etc so the open access journals are more likely to get read and cited. Even then, the citation index is relative. In some areas, 4.8 would be very good, but the medical field is huge.

I showed this article to my son and he pointed out some things:

Interesting. Used the NHANES survey data.

Potential confounders: “Those reporting that they consumed milk Frequently or Sometimes had higher protein intakes than those indicating that they consumed milk Rarely or Never. Additionally, adults consuming full-fat or 2% milk had higher total dietary fat intakes than milk abstainers and those consuming nonfat milk. Similarly, those who consumed full-fat or 2% milk consumed higher levels of saturated fat than milk abstainers and those drinking 1% milk or nonfat milk”

“Although NHANES data have been collected for many decades, telomere data are only available for four years, 1999-2002.”

So not a prospective study, but a snapshot in time looking at 3 years worth of survey data.

Additionally, it’s worth considering The prevailing dietary opinions of the late 90s early 2000’s. I imagine those who were drinking whole milk at that time were probably over into categories – they were head over heels for the Atkins diet or they didn’t care about dietary advice at all and ate whatever they wanted. It’s hard to tell that, because I don’t think the survey asked about their dietary opinions.

So here is what I think happened: This guy needed a publication so he scoured some old survey data and played with the data to find something statistically significant and then submitted to a low-tier journal with a high acceptance rate because he knew there was nowhere near enough rigor for a good journal. The media office at the university picked it up because university media offices LOVE any nutritional study because they always get clicks.

[smokymountainrain]

Everyone I have met who has had Reeds Dairy Chocolate Milk will proclaim it the best ever, despite this I still think Reeds Dairy Chocolate Milk is the most underrated chocolate milk in existence- it is that good!

i'll be in pocatello in a couple weeks. would they have it there?

[Pelado]

i'll be in pocatello in a couple weeks. would they have it there?

You can order it online.

[wuapinmon]

This is an obscure open access journal from a publishing company in Cairo, Egypt. I love the open access movement, but most open access journals are junk at this point. The impact factors get inflated because researchers in the third world can't pay the ridiculous subscription fees charged by Elsevier, Springer, etc so the open access journals are more likely to get read and cited. Even then, the citation index is relative. In some areas, 4.8 would be very good, but the medical field is huge.

I showed this article to my son and he pointed out some things:



So here is what I think happened: This guy needed a publication so he scoured some old survey data and played with the data to find something statistically significant and then submitted to a low-tier journal with a high acceptance rate because he knew there was nowhere near enough rigor for a good journal. The media office at the university picked it up because university media offices LOVE any nutritional study because they always get clicks.

You raised a kid with good analytical skills.

[Goatnapper'96]

i'll be in pocatello in a couple weeks. would they have it there?

I don't think there is one in Pocatello. But IF is only another 40 miles up the road! It is worth the drive.

[Pelado]

I don't think there is one in Pocatello. But IF is only another 40 miles up the road! It is worth the drive.

Boise, Meridian, Idaho Falls, Ammon.

https://reedsdairy.com/store-locator/

On the website, it also says:

We can ship America’s best ice cream, cheese curds, and chocolate milk anywhere in the U.S. During the holidays you can also order our out-of-this world eggnog and chocolate nog.

Here's the link to their online store:

https://reedsdairy.com/products/

You can get three half gallons of chocolate milk for just $35 (plus shipping).

[frank ryan]

Mitt Romney is going to vote to convict Trump. That’s a man who puts nation above party.

[BlueK]

Mitt Romney is going to vote to convict Trump. That’s a man who puts nation above party.

My 77 year old dad wrote him a letter asking him to do that. Way to go Dad.

[Mr Bean]

This statement by Romney is demonstrably true and is undeniable. Anyone that doesn’t agree with this statement is blinded by biases or otherwise corrupted by a desire to fall in line with the power at the head.

Meaning aside from Romney, the GOP desperately needs to be voted out for the good of the country. Scoundrels and spineless morons the whole lot of them.


“There’s no question that the president asked a foreign power to investigate his political foe,” Romney said ahead of the floor statement he delivered Wednesday. “That he did so for a political purpose, and that he pressured Ukraine to get them to do help or to lead in this effort. My own view is there there’s not much I can think of that would be a more egregious assault on our Constitution than trying to corrupt an election to maintain power. And that’s what the president did.”


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[frank ryan]

This statement by Romney is demonstrably true and is undeniable. Anyone that doesn’t agree with this statement is blinded by biases or otherwise corrupted by a desire to fall in line with the power at the head.

Meaning aside from Romney, the GOP desperately needs to be voted out for the good of the country. Scoundrels and spineless morons the whole lot of them.


“There’s no question that the president asked a foreign power to investigate his political foe,” Romney said ahead of the floor statement he delivered Wednesday. “That he did so for a political purpose, and that he pressured Ukraine to get them to do help or to lead in this effort. My own view is there there’s not much I can think of that would be a more egregious assault on our Constitution than trying to corrupt an election to maintain power. And that’s what the president did.”


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But some people want to forgive student loan debt!

[snowcat]

Mitt Romney is going to vote to convict Trump. That’s a man who puts nation above party.

That makes one. Perhaps Sinema is another.

Go Cougars!

[frank ryan]

That makes one. Perhaps Sinema is another.

Go Cougars!

She’s putting her re-election above party. Not the same thing