Utah Senator Mitt Romney Thread

[frank ryan]

Mitt standing for those with less. Just because they make less doesn't mean they should get less. C'mon man, whatarwedoinouthere!

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I’m really impressed with Mitt. This reminds of pragmatic son of social justice champion George Romney, Romneycare, gov of Mass Mitt. I think if he pandered less to the Tea Party and Evangelicals less he might’ve had a better chance against Obama, although admittedly, I’d still have vote for Obama.

I donated a few dollars to him. 3rd Republican I’ve done that for now.

[Pelado]

I’m really impressed with Mitt. This reminds of pragmatic son of social justice champion George Romney, Romneycare, gov of Mass Mitt. I think if he pandered less to the Tea Party and Evangelicals less he might’ve had a better chance against Obama, although admittedly, I’d still have vote for Obama.

I donated a few dollars to him. 3rd Republican I’ve done that for now.

On the day he adopted the tax cut proposal, I felt as though he just lost the election.

[Omaha 680]

I’m really impressed with Mitt. This reminds of pragmatic son of social justice champion George Romney, Romneycare, gov of Mass Mitt. I think if he pandered less to the Tea Party and Evangelicals less he might’ve had a better chance against Obama, although admittedly, I’d still have vote for Obama.

I donated a few dollars to him. 3rd Republican I’ve done that for now.

So alienate major constituencies of his party to focus on things you like, but would not make you vote for him. Sounds like it would have made him do worse in the election.

Mitt had the twin headwinds of crazy mormon hating evangelicals and a once in a generstion opponent who broke all the turnout models. Even with the evangelical thing, he would have beaten any other democrat. It's a damn shame we arent finishing President Romney's second term right now. He would have shaped up our botched coronavirus response fairly quickly.

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[frank ryan]

So alienate major constituencies of his party to focus on things you like, but would not make you vote for him. Sounds like it would have made him do worse in the election.

Mitt had the twin headwinds of crazy mormon hating evangelicals and a once in a generstion opponent who broke all the turnout models. Even with the evangelical thing, he would have beaten any other democrat. It's a damn shame we arent finishing President Romney's second term right now. He would have shaped up our botched coronavirus response fairly quickly.

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Usually trying to be more moderate giving a candidate a better chance in the general, more moderate than the individual was in the primary. That used to be more of the trend. So yes, I think he would have done better even if I didn't vote for him. It is a delicate balance because you want the base energized, but the evangelicals stayed home regardless. I personally know several people who were fairly torn and voted for Obama, but I think would've picked the truer, more moderate Mitt. Additionally, Mitt would have come across as more genuine than did in that contest, which was a big problem, and played out in his problem connecting with voters. He would have more relaxed and accessible if weren't trying to be someone different.

Regardless, I'm not exactly sure why you choose to take umbrage with a sincere and positive post about someone you also like.
I wish he was our President now. He would do better. Hillary Clinton would also be infinitely better than Trump right now.

[Eddie]

Usually trying to be more moderate giving a candidate a better chance in the general, more moderate than the individual was in the primary. That used to be more of the trend. So yes, I think he would have done better even if I didn't vote for him. It is a delicate balance because you want the base energized, but the evangelicals stayed home regardless. I personally know several people who were fairly torn and voted for Obama, but I think would've picked the truer, more moderate Mitt. Additionally, Mitt would have come across as more genuine than did in that contest, which was a big problem, and played out in his problem connecting with voters. He would have more relaxed and accessible if weren't trying to be someone different.

Regardless, I'm not exactly sure why you choose to take umbrage with a sincere and positive post about someone you also like.
I wish he was our President now. He would do better. Hillary Clinton would also be infinitely better than Trump right now.

I think he makes a fair point, to be honest. Mitt's problem was that he was up against an opponent with a VERY energized base, and his base was not. Making the changes you stated would not have done anything to energize his base at all.

I honestly can't imagine anyone who voted for Obama deciding to vote for Mitt instead based on him making a couple of slight tweaks to his position on issues. It wasn't going to happen. You have some kind words for Mitt - but they wouldn't have made a difference in the election. No way he does better with an even less energized base than he began with simply because more people who are voting for Obama like him a little more than they did.

[frank ryan]

I think he makes a fair point, to be honest. Mitt's problem was that he was up against an opponent with a VERY energized base, and his base was not. Making the changes you stated would not have done anything to energize his base at all.

I honestly can't imagine anyone who voted for Obama deciding to vote for Mitt instead based on him making a couple of slight tweaks to his position on issues. It wasn't going to happen. You have some kind words for Mitt - but they wouldn't have made a difference in the election. No way he does better with an even less energized base than he began with simply because more people who are voting for Obama like him a little more than they did.

Of course you disagree with me Eddie, I can count on that like the sun rising and setting. A lot of times you have salient points, but nothing new here. It's not my "kind words," helping him, it's that his political career was a lot more successful when he acted as a moderate. He wasn't going to be successful as a hard right candidate. That was fine for the primaries, but it didn't suit him after.

So I guess his platform, political strategy and messaging were perfect?

[SCcoug]

Of course you disagree with me Eddie, I can count on that like the sun rising and setting. A lot of times you have salient points, but nothing new here. It's not my "kind words," helping him, it's that his political career was a lot more successful when he acted as a moderate. He wasn't going to be successful as a hard right candidate. That was fine for the primaries, but it didn't suit him after.

So I guess his platform, political strategy and messaging were perfect?

His political career was more successful when he wasn't going against a popular incumbent, see 2012 and 1994.

[Omaha 680]

Usually trying to be more moderate giving a candidate a better chance in the general, more moderate than the individual was in the primary. That used to be more of the trend. So yes, I think he would have done better even if I didn't vote for him. It is a delicate balance because you want the base energized, but the evangelicals stayed home regardless. I personally know several people who were fairly torn and voted for Obama, but I think would've picked the truer, more moderate Mitt. Additionally, Mitt would have come across as more genuine than did in that contest, which was a big problem, and played out in his problem connecting with voters. He would have more relaxed and accessible if weren't trying to be someone different.

Regardless, I'm not exactly sure why you choose to take umbrage with a sincere and positive post about someone you also like.
I wish he was our President now. He would do better. Hillary Clinton would also be infinitely better than Trump right now.

No umbrage taken here. I just think your hunch is wrong.

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[All-American]

So alienate major constituencies of his party to focus on things you like, but would not make you vote for him. Sounds like it would have made him do worse in the election.

Mitt had the twin headwinds of crazy mormon hating evangelicals and a once in a generstion opponent who broke all the turnout models. Even with the evangelical thing, he would have beaten any other democrat. It's a damn shame we arent finishing President Romney's second term right now. He would have shaped up our botched coronavirus response fairly quickly.

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I like to ask people from time to time if they would trade four years of Obama and four of Trump for eight of Romney. I’ve yet to find anyone who wouldn’t go with two Romney terms.

Which is something to think about this November. You’re not just voting for the next president; you’re also choosing who runs in the next election.

[wapiti]

I like to ask people from time to time if they would trade four years of Obama and four of Trump for eight of Romney. I’ve yet to find anyone who wouldn’t go with two Romney terms.

Which is something to think about this November. You’re not just voting for the next president; you’re also choosing who runs in the next election.

At Biden's age, I can't imagine he would get a second term.

[Donuthole]

Trump on Romney being quarantined while tested for COVID: “Romney’s in isolation? Gee,that’s too bad.”

[All-American]

Trump on Romney being quarantined while tested for COVID: “Romney’s in isolation? Gee,that’s too bad.”

Ordering a Biden ‘20 sticker as we speak.

[Northwestcoug]

Ordering a Biden ‘20 sticker as we speak.

You know, both sets of my grandparents lived through the Great Depression. That experience alone made them both reliable democratic voters for life. Even when abortion became a national question, they pulled the lever for dems down the line.

Maybe Trump has created a whole generation of democrats for life.

[Uncle Ted]

Trump on Romney being quarantined while tested for COVID: “Romney’s in isolation? Gee,that’s too bad.”

Yeah that is really too bad... Drumpf is going to need Romney's vote in the senate to pass a stimulus bill that actually makes sense. Drumpf must be bummed.

[CJF]

Yeah that is really too bad... Drumpf is going to need Romney's vote in the senate to pass a stimulus bill that actually makes sense. Drumpf must be bummed.

I’m going to put this into the dumb luck category for Trump, but while in isolation Mitt cannot vote.