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  • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
    Mitt standing for those with less. Just because they make less doesn't mean they should get less. C'mon man, whatarwedoinouthere!

    I’m really impressed with Mitt. This reminds of pragmatic son of social justice champion George Romney, Romneycare, gov of Mass Mitt. I think if he pandered less to the Tea Party and Evangelicals less he might’ve had a better chance against Obama, although admittedly, I’d still have vote for Obama.

    I donated a few dollars to him. 3rd Republican I’ve done that for now.

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    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
      I’m really impressed with Mitt. This reminds of pragmatic son of social justice champion George Romney, Romneycare, gov of Mass Mitt. I think if he pandered less to the Tea Party and Evangelicals less he might’ve had a better chance against Obama, although admittedly, I’d still have vote for Obama.

      I donated a few dollars to him. 3rd Republican I’ve done that for now.
      On the day he adopted the tax cut proposal, I felt as though he just lost the election.
      "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
      - Goatnapper'96

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      • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
        I’m really impressed with Mitt. This reminds of pragmatic son of social justice champion George Romney, Romneycare, gov of Mass Mitt. I think if he pandered less to the Tea Party and Evangelicals less he might’ve had a better chance against Obama, although admittedly, I’d still have vote for Obama.

        I donated a few dollars to him. 3rd Republican I’ve done that for now.
        So alienate major constituencies of his party to focus on things you like, but would not make you vote for him. Sounds like it would have made him do worse in the election.

        Mitt had the twin headwinds of crazy mormon hating evangelicals and a once in a generstion opponent who broke all the turnout models. Even with the evangelical thing, he would have beaten any other democrat. It's a damn shame we arent finishing President Romney's second term right now. He would have shaped up our botched coronavirus response fairly quickly.

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        • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
          So alienate major constituencies of his party to focus on things you like, but would not make you vote for him. Sounds like it would have made him do worse in the election.

          Mitt had the twin headwinds of crazy mormon hating evangelicals and a once in a generstion opponent who broke all the turnout models. Even with the evangelical thing, he would have beaten any other democrat. It's a damn shame we arent finishing President Romney's second term right now. He would have shaped up our botched coronavirus response fairly quickly.

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          Usually trying to be more moderate giving a candidate a better chance in the general, more moderate than the individual was in the primary. That used to be more of the trend. So yes, I think he would have done better even if I didn't vote for him. It is a delicate balance because you want the base energized, but the evangelicals stayed home regardless. I personally know several people who were fairly torn and voted for Obama, but I think would've picked the truer, more moderate Mitt. Additionally, Mitt would have come across as more genuine than did in that contest, which was a big problem, and played out in his problem connecting with voters. He would have more relaxed and accessible if weren't trying to be someone different.

          Regardless, I'm not exactly sure why you choose to take umbrage with a sincere and positive post about someone you also like.
          I wish he was our President now. He would do better. Hillary Clinton would also be infinitely better than Trump right now.

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          • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
            Usually trying to be more moderate giving a candidate a better chance in the general, more moderate than the individual was in the primary. That used to be more of the trend. So yes, I think he would have done better even if I didn't vote for him. It is a delicate balance because you want the base energized, but the evangelicals stayed home regardless. I personally know several people who were fairly torn and voted for Obama, but I think would've picked the truer, more moderate Mitt. Additionally, Mitt would have come across as more genuine than did in that contest, which was a big problem, and played out in his problem connecting with voters. He would have more relaxed and accessible if weren't trying to be someone different.

            Regardless, I'm not exactly sure why you choose to take umbrage with a sincere and positive post about someone you also like.
            I wish he was our President now. He would do better. Hillary Clinton would also be infinitely better than Trump right now.
            I think he makes a fair point, to be honest. Mitt's problem was that he was up against an opponent with a VERY energized base, and his base was not. Making the changes you stated would not have done anything to energize his base at all.

            I honestly can't imagine anyone who voted for Obama deciding to vote for Mitt instead based on him making a couple of slight tweaks to his position on issues. It wasn't going to happen. You have some kind words for Mitt - but they wouldn't have made a difference in the election. No way he does better with an even less energized base than he began with simply because more people who are voting for Obama like him a little more than they did.

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            • Originally posted by Eddie View Post
              I think he makes a fair point, to be honest. Mitt's problem was that he was up against an opponent with a VERY energized base, and his base was not. Making the changes you stated would not have done anything to energize his base at all.

              I honestly can't imagine anyone who voted for Obama deciding to vote for Mitt instead based on him making a couple of slight tweaks to his position on issues. It wasn't going to happen. You have some kind words for Mitt - but they wouldn't have made a difference in the election. No way he does better with an even less energized base than he began with simply because more people who are voting for Obama like him a little more than they did.
              Of course you disagree with me Eddie, I can count on that like the sun rising and setting. A lot of times you have salient points, but nothing new here. It's not my "kind words," helping him, it's that his political career was a lot more successful when he acted as a moderate. He wasn't going to be successful as a hard right candidate. That was fine for the primaries, but it didn't suit him after.

              So I guess his platform, political strategy and messaging were perfect?

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              • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                Of course you disagree with me Eddie, I can count on that like the sun rising and setting. A lot of times you have salient points, but nothing new here. It's not my "kind words," helping him, it's that his political career was a lot more successful when he acted as a moderate. He wasn't going to be successful as a hard right candidate. That was fine for the primaries, but it didn't suit him after.

                So I guess his platform, political strategy and messaging were perfect?
                His political career was more successful when he wasn't going against a popular incumbent, see 2012 and 1994.

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                • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                  Usually trying to be more moderate giving a candidate a better chance in the general, more moderate than the individual was in the primary. That used to be more of the trend. So yes, I think he would have done better even if I didn't vote for him. It is a delicate balance because you want the base energized, but the evangelicals stayed home regardless. I personally know several people who were fairly torn and voted for Obama, but I think would've picked the truer, more moderate Mitt. Additionally, Mitt would have come across as more genuine than did in that contest, which was a big problem, and played out in his problem connecting with voters. He would have more relaxed and accessible if weren't trying to be someone different.

                  Regardless, I'm not exactly sure why you choose to take umbrage with a sincere and positive post about someone you also like.
                  I wish he was our President now. He would do better. Hillary Clinton would also be infinitely better than Trump right now.
                  No umbrage taken here. I just think your hunch is wrong.

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                  • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
                    So alienate major constituencies of his party to focus on things you like, but would not make you vote for him. Sounds like it would have made him do worse in the election.

                    Mitt had the twin headwinds of crazy mormon hating evangelicals and a once in a generstion opponent who broke all the turnout models. Even with the evangelical thing, he would have beaten any other democrat. It's a damn shame we arent finishing President Romney's second term right now. He would have shaped up our botched coronavirus response fairly quickly.

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                    I like to ask people from time to time if they would trade four years of Obama and four of Trump for eight of Romney. I’ve yet to find anyone who wouldn’t go with two Romney terms.

                    Which is something to think about this November. You’re not just voting for the next president; you’re also choosing who runs in the next election.
                    τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                    • Originally posted by All-American View Post
                      I like to ask people from time to time if they would trade four years of Obama and four of Trump for eight of Romney. I’ve yet to find anyone who wouldn’t go with two Romney terms.

                      Which is something to think about this November. You’re not just voting for the next president; you’re also choosing who runs in the next election.
                      At Biden's age, I can't imagine he would get a second term.

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                      • Trump on Romney being quarantined while tested for COVID: “Romney’s in isolation? Gee,that’s too bad.”
                        Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                        There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                        • Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                          Trump on Romney being quarantined while tested for COVID: “Romney’s in isolation? Gee,that’s too bad.”
                          Ordering a Biden ‘20 sticker as we speak.
                          τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                          • Originally posted by All-American View Post
                            Ordering a Biden ‘20 sticker as we speak.
                            You know, both sets of my grandparents lived through the Great Depression. That experience alone made them both reliable democratic voters for life. Even when abortion became a national question, they pulled the lever for dems down the line.

                            Maybe Trump has created a whole generation of democrats for life.
                            "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                            "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                            - SeattleUte

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                            • Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                              Trump on Romney being quarantined while tested for COVID: “Romney’s in isolation? Gee,that’s too bad.”
                              Yeah that is really too bad... Drumpf is going to need Romney's vote in the senate to pass a stimulus bill that actually makes sense. Drumpf must be bummed.
                              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                              "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                              "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                              • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                                Yeah that is really too bad... Drumpf is going to need Romney's vote in the senate to pass a stimulus bill that actually makes sense. Drumpf must be bummed.
                                I’m going to put this into the dumb luck category for Trump, but while in isolation Mitt cannot vote.
                                A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad Ali

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