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"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.
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This Weinstein thing has to be the tip of the iceberg. Hollywood moguls taking advantage of women sexually in exchange for parts has to be the least surprising thing ever."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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Please refrain from referencing Weinstein's tip. TIA.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostThis Weinstein thing has to be the tip of the iceberg. Hollywood moguls taking advantage of women sexually in exchange for parts has to be the least surprising thing ever."I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
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#MeToo....?Originally posted by Moliere View Post
Above the Law has an occasional feature in which they share anonymously contributed anecdotes of sexual harrassment in the legal profession. Some are legitimately horrible, while others are.... borderline. Here are some of the borderline ones.
Sorry you got asked out on a date, but I'm not sure that is sexual harassment.I have been asked out in court by adversaries and when I commented that it was inappropriate, one fellow said that he was unaware there were geographical boundaries on asking women out on dates.
So, after work, some of your colleagues wanted to go to a strip club, and you chose to follow along because you thought it might help your career. Not sure whether the firm picked up the tab, but still, this seems borderline.I worked for a now-international employment law boutique. When I made partner there, I was so proud. It was the culmination of years of hard work and capped my prior accomplishments such as becoming a National Merit Scholar and making Law Review.
I could not have been more excited about my first partners’ meeting at the firm. We gathered in an old southern city and participated in meetings ranging from inspiring to deadly dull. The evening was to be an opportunity to socialize with one’s fellow partners, laying the groundwork for referring work to each other for years to come (such referrals being key to law firm survival). You might imagine my surprise upon finding that a large number of my fellow partners would be spending the evening at a strip club. So, I could go to the strip club or lose an opportunity to have my fellow partners know me. Of course, I went to the strip club that night.
ehhhh......As a third-year lawyer (27-year-old), I was deposing the female plaintiff in a sexual harassment case. Her attorney was a good ol’ Southern boy from a small town who felt the need to constantly remind me of his decades of experience. At one point, opposing counsel got mad that I was being aggressive with his client and told me to “chill out, baby.” I managed to not take a swing at him, but instead reminded him that this was a sexual harassment case where that kind of language was at issue, and if he felt comfortable using it with opposing counsel, it couldn’t possibly be that extreme and outrageous. I also reminded him that I had a name he could use, just as his wife/mother/daughter does.
I’m a 3L at a T14 school and I’m good-looking (I did a lot of modeling before law school and I still do some on the side to help pay tuition fees). I get a lot of attention from my male classmates and it has always annoyed and bothered me, but until this incident, it was always in a respectful and non-harassing manner.
A few days ago, I got a Facebook friend request from a guy I didn’t know, but I saw that he was a student of the same law school I go to and that we had a few friends in common (all students of our law school), so I figured it was maybe someone in one of my classes who I had simply not noticed. I accepted him as a friend and he immediately came to talk to me. He was very forthcoming, and immediately ask me out for a drink in big city next to our law school.
I politely replied that I had absolutely no idea who he was and that I was not interested in going out for a drink with him. He did not accept no for an answer and kept insisting, telling me things such as, “If you never try, you’ll never know.” I politely declined one more time and specified again that I had never even noticed him in the law school building and that I was not interested in grabbing a drink. He kept insisting. I was busy writing a paper and had a lot to do, so just to get rid of him, I told him I was seeing someone at the moment (it is true that I am seeing someone, but I usually prefer to decline only by stating “I am not interested,” but “I am not interested” clearly was not working with him and I was out of time and patience). He then responded to me that he accepted this “good excuse,” and that he wouldn’t ask again. I was shocked. I replied to him, “Good excuse? Just so we’re clear, you do realize that a woman is allowed to say no, even if she is 100% single?” He didn’t reply to this accusation; he just mentioned he was “very respectful” and “sorry if he annoyed me.”
This last one is certainly horrific. That is, if its true. Seems a little too on the nose to me.
I am a paralegal in an Am Law 200 firm in the south. I am of Hispanic descent. My colleagues and I regularly face unwanted sexual remarks made by associates and sometimes partners, but they’re usually said in hushed tones, either behind our backs, or sometimes as they walk away from our desks. Despite their attempts to remain quiet, we’ve always caught bits and pieces of the foul things they’ve said about us. So-and-so is a piece of ass. You’d like so-and-so as your side piece. You bet so-and-so sucks a mean dick. You want to get so-and-so in your office and fuck her good. So-and-so won’t be able to say no if she wants to keep her job.
Thankfully, these comments were never made directly to our faces. We thought they knew better.
In the days since Trump has been elected, the situation has become almost unbearable. These vile, highly sexual comments that were once whispered are now spoken in full voice. Associates had always allowed their hands to brush against us, if briefly, but never like this. Some of us, myself included, have been touched inappropriately.
Yesterday, an associate took his opportunity as I bent over to retrieve a binder, his hand cupping my rear, his fingers dipping lower in an attempt to touch my most intimate areas. Sensing one of my colleagues approaching, he pulled away, grunting, “Next time, I’ll grab you by the pussy, beaner.”Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
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Wow, lawyers are real pieces of work!!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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It's the #metoo hashtag that connected the two stories.Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View PostI’m unsure what’s Lewinski’s tweet has to do with your quoted comments.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
Dig your own grave, and save!
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
"I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Wait. Do you think Lewinsky’s #metoo is unfounded? I’d think given the power structure between the president of the USA and an intern, she has a pretty solid case of sexual harassment.Originally posted by falafel View PostIt's the #metoo hashtag that connected the two stories.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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No, I'm not commenting on Lewinsky's tweet in that way. I'm just suggesting that not all of the #MeToo stories are equal, or even sexual harassment.Originally posted by Moliere View PostWait. Do you think Lewinsky’s #metoo is unfounded? I’d think given the power structure between the president of the USA and an intern, she has a pretty solid case of sexual harassment.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAin't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
Dig your own grave, and save!
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
"I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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This. I've always wondered how socially liberal people could be so in love with the Clinton's when he was clearly guilty of sexual harassment, and she not only defended him, but tried to destroy the reputation of his victim. Consensual or not, their respective ages and power positions would likely have gotten him fired and sued had he led any Fortune 500 company.Originally posted by Moliere View PostWait. Do you think Lewinsky’s #metoo is unfounded? I’d think given the power structure between the president of the USA and an intern, she has a pretty solid case of sexual harassment.
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