The Cap and Trade bill

[venkman]

This thing is unbelievably awful.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTc1MmVhMGYxY2UzNzAwMTJlODBjZjg2NDJjNmM2MWE=&w=MA==

[JohnnyLingo]

I'm surprised there is zero discussion on this. A bill that aims to change American behavior through increasing energy prices seems pretty important.

[il Padrino Ute]

This should be unbelievable, but with so many idiots in DC, nothing is beyond the realm of WTH? anymore.

[JohnnyLingo]

This should be unbelievable, but with so many idiots in DC, nothing is beyond the realm of WTH? anymore.

I suppose conservatives are just shell-shocked, like you said, and liberals are kind of embarrassed about it.

That would explain the lack of conversation.

[YOhio]

I'm interested to see what the Senate does with this bill. There is no way it passes in it's current form, if at all.

[il Padrino Ute]

I'm interested to see what the Senate does with this bill. There is no way it passes in it's current form, if at all.

I will trust that you are right. If it does pass, I will blame you.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I will trust that you are right. If it does pass, I will blame you.

When has YO ever led us astray

[YOhio]

I will trust that you are right. If it does pass, I will blame you.

When has YO ever led us astray

Okay you two rascals. I'll provide my reasoning. The CapTrade Bill seems to have passed the House based on the extraordinary political muscle of Pelosi, Hoyer and Waxman with little debate and a load of horse trading, i.e. the Marci Kaptur 3:00 a.m. buyoff.

I don't see this playing out similarly in the Senate. First, Reid is not as powerful at influencing his own delegation as Pelosi and Hoyer. Second, corporate energy interests are much more influential in the Senate due to the broad range of interests represented by a Senator as opposed to a smaller district Congressperson. Third, despite a filibuster-proof majority it isn't likely that the Dems can corral all of their Senator's into voting for cloture, thanks to health and other political reasons. Finally, the Senate is always slow. They'll take forever on this and the anti-C/T message will begin to penetrate and have an effect, particularly on the more vulnerable seats.

If it does pass the Senate it will surely be trimmed down from some of the House pork, but there will be a measure of Senate pork. Depending on the cuts, there will still be a question of whether it can pass a final vote after conference.

So, we'll see. It's entirely possible that this will sail through the Senate in short order. But I don't see it happening.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Okay you two rascals. I'll provide my reasoning. The CapTrade Bill seems to have passed the House based on the extraordinary political muscle of Pelosi, Hoyer and Waxman with little debate and a load of horse trading, i.e. the Marci Kaptur 3:00 a.m. buyoff.

I don't see this playing out similarly in the Senate. First, Reid is not as powerful at influencing his own delegation as Pelosi and Hoyer. Second, corporate energy interests are much more influential in the Senate due to the broad range of interests represented by a Senator as opposed to a smaller district Congressperson. Third, despite a filibuster-proof majority it isn't likely that the Dems can corral all of their Senator's into voting for cloture, thanks to health and other political reasons. Finally, the Senate is always slow. They'll take forever on this and the anti-C/T message will begin to penetrate and have an effect, particularly on the more vulnerable seats.

If it does pass the Senate it will surely be trimmed down from some of the House pork, but there will be a measure of Senate pork. Depending on the cuts, there will still be a question of whether it can pass a final vote after conference.

So, we'll see. It's entirely possible that this will sail through the Senate in short order. But I don't see it happening.

That's a little better Just because, doesn't even work on my kids anymore.

[JohnnyLingo]

I'm interested to see what the Senate does with this bill. There is no way it passes in it's current form, if at all.

People made similar statements about it even being brought up in the first place.

"No way cap and trade gets pushed if the economy is in the toilet," people said.

If it's okay with you, I think I'll believe there is a possibility of it passing the Senate.

[Goatnapper'96]

Okay you two rascals. I'll provide my reasoning. The CapTrade Bill seems to have passed the House based on the extraordinary political muscle of Pelosi, Hoyer and Waxman with little debate and a load of horse trading, i.e. the Marci Kaptur 3:00 a.m. buyoff.

I don't see this playing out similarly in the Senate. First, Reid is not as powerful at influencing his own delegation as Pelosi and Hoyer. Second, corporate energy interests are much more influential in the Senate due to the broad range of interests represented by a Senator as opposed to a smaller district Congressperson. Third, despite a filibuster-proof majority it isn't likely that the Dems can corral all of their Senator's into voting for cloture, thanks to health and other political reasons. Finally, the Senate is always slow. They'll take forever on this and the anti-C/T message will begin to penetrate and have an effect, particularly on the more vulnerable seats.

If it does pass the Senate it will surely be trimmed down from some of the House pork, but there will be a measure of Senate pork. Depending on the cuts, there will still be a question of whether it can pass a final vote after conference.

So, we'll see. It's entirely possible that this will sail through the Senate in short order. But I don't see it happening.

I agree. I doubt cap and trade gets out of the Senate. Especially with the House attaching the tarriff on non-complying countries and Obama being against it. I think it will die.

[Coach McGuirk]

I agree. I doubt cap and trade gets out of the Senate. Especially with the House attaching the tarriff on non-complying countries and Obama being against it. I think it will die.

IF it does pass, this will be the assault weapons ban of 94 for the dems and you will see a cleaning of the house and senate, just like then.....Maybe worse.

[NorthShoreCoug]

I sent an email to my rep, a Democrat. He didn't vote for it. So I did my part.

[Goatnapper'96]

IF it does pass, this will be the assault weapons ban of 94 for the dems and you will see a cleaning of the house and senate, just like then.....Maybe worse.

Too many Americans are feeling/talking/believing that fiscally things are getting out of control back there. The wad was shot with the stimulus and shortly, by September, you will begin to hear the wardrum for a second stimulus once unemployment gets above 10%. I just think Obama's cap and trade and his medical overhaul are a bridge too far in the Senate under current circumstances. Too many dems will remember '94. If the economy picks up in 2010 and the dems can keep their majorities high enough, he could make another run in 2011. Pigs go to feed and hogs go to slaughter...or something like that.

The house branding of cap and trade was a job catalyist, I don't think most people are buying that. It is dead in the Senate.