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Alan Dershowitz actually wrote that it wouldn't be impeachable even if Russia attacked and took over Alaska and the president allowed it. Wow. What a nutjob. The basic gist of his position on this is that essentially nothing is impeachable and the concept though mentioned in the Constitution, for all intents and purposes isn't real.
"At least one individual involved in President Donald Trump’s defense thinks he can’t be impeached—even if he were to intentionally allow foreign armies to conquer and steal U.S. territory?
the shocking claim was made by Harvard Law Professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz in his recent book, The Case Against Impeaching Trump. A verified member of Trump’s impeachment defense team–though he says he’s not a full-fledged member–Dershowitz’s controversial legal argument is now predictably being imputed to the 45th president himself by Democrats.
“Assume [Vladimir] Putin decides to ‘retake’ Alaska, the way he ‘retook’ Crimea,” Dershowitz writes on pages 26 and 27 of his book. “Assume further that a president allows him to do it, because he believed that Russia has a legitimate claim to ‘its’ original territory. That would be terrible, but would it be impeachable? Not under the text of the Constitution.”
https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/...n-house-brief/
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostAlan Dershowitz actually wrote that it wouldn't be impeachable even if Russia attacked and took over Alaska and the president allowed it. Wow. What a nutjob. The basic gist of his position on this is that essentially nothing is impeachable and the concept though mentioned in the Constitution, for all intents and purposes isn't real.
"At least one individual involved in President Donald Trump’s defense thinks he can’t be impeached—even if he were to intentionally allow foreign armies to conquer and steal U.S. territory?
the shocking claim was made by Harvard Law Professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz in his recent book, The Case Against Impeaching Trump. A verified member of Trump’s impeachment defense team–though he says he’s not a full-fledged member–Dershowitz’s controversial legal argument is now predictably being imputed to the 45th president himself by Democrats.
“Assume [Vladimir] Putin decides to ‘retake’ Alaska, the way he ‘retook’ Crimea,” Dershowitz writes on pages 26 and 27 of his book. “Assume further that a president allows him to do it, because he believed that Russia has a legitimate claim to ‘its’ original territory. That would be terrible, but would it be impeachable? Not under the text of the Constitution.”
https://lawandcrime.com/impeachment/...n-house-brief/
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Originally posted by wapiti View PostThe standard for impeachment is whether it has the support of a majority of the house and 2/3rds of the senate.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostThe House asked John Bolton to testify on November 7th. Bolton said he would not go unless there was a subpoena AND only after it went through the courts. So not true they didn't want him to come. You can argue they didn't push hard enough through the court system, but then the Trumpists would have just said the Dems were trying to drag it out.
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This may be a silly question, but how high is the bar for establishing that Trump was trying to influence an election with his request of an investigation? He could make a case that Biden being on the board of directors was suspicious, and worthy of an investigation, so how much evidence do they need to show that proves Trump was trying to affect the election? It's a no-brainer logically, but I'd think there has to be some sort of evidentiary support.sigpic
"Outlined against a blue, gray
October sky the Four Horsemen rode again"
Grantland Rice, 1924
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostThis may be a silly question, but how high is the bar for establishing that Trump was trying to influence an election with his request of an investigation? He could make a case that Biden being on the board of directors was suspicious, and worthy of an investigation, so how much evidence do they need to show that proves Trump was trying to affect the election? It's a no-brainer logically, but I'd think there has to be some sort of evidentiary support.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Originally posted by myboynoah View PostBefore Biden announced his campaign, no one cared about investigating the Bidens. Only after that announcement did Trump start pushing for an investigation. In that perfect phone call Trump himself only noted investigating the Bidens; no mention of corruption. Everyone down the line was pushing for an investigation of the Bidens; that was the focus of the policy (even as careerists pushed back on that). Multiple people can testify that he asked for an investigation of the Bidens, and then not an investigation, just an announcement of an investigation. Then the money would flow. The focus has been the Bidens. What more do people need?sigpic
"Outlined against a blue, gray
October sky the Four Horsemen rode again"
Grantland Rice, 1924
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Originally posted by myboynoah View PostBefore Biden announced his campaign, no one cared about investigating the Bidens. Only after that announcement did Trump start pushing for an investigation. In that perfect phone call Trump himself only noted investigating the Bidens; no mention of corruption. Everyone down the line was pushing for an investigation of the Bidens; that was the focus of the policy (even as careerists pushed back on that). Multiple people can testify that he asked for an investigation of the Bidens, and then not an investigation, just an announcement of an investigation. Then the money would flow. The focus has been the Bidens. What more do people need?
See page 61+ of this FOIA response:
https://www.americanoversight.org/wp...Docs_11-22.pdf
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Originally posted by UVACoug View PostThat's not true. There are documents showing that Guiliani and Pompeo were discussing investigations into the Bidens as early as January 2019. That was months before Biden announced he was running.
See page 61+ of this FOIA response:
https://www.americanoversight.org/wp...Docs_11-22.pdfLast edited by frank ryan; 01-31-2020, 05:53 PM.
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Impeaching Trump: Make America Sane Again
Originally posted by frank ryan View PostI’ve never heard you champion Trump, but the vast majority of your posts seem to downplay his conduct or kvetch about the democrats.
I also think process and institutions are super important. If we destroy those things, the rule of law goes out the window and we will all be worse off. In my opinion, as much as I’d like Trump to be thrown out of office and banned from holding public office ever again, this impeachment has been a total sham and it will end up causing real damage to the country going forward. It was clear from the beginning that this has never been about protecting the country from a dangerous President. It’s been about dragging him through the mud in an election year to gain political advantage. If you think Trump’s insignificant and unsuccessful efforts to “influence an election” are so bad, I don’t see how you can be happy with Pelosi and Schiff’s much more significant efforts to do the same thing.
I realize that makes me sound like a Trump defender, which has made me hesitant to say anything at all. I don’t like what Trump did, but it’s not worth destroying due process and the institutions that were established to protect our freedom over.Last edited by UVACoug; 01-31-2020, 06:12 PM.
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"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by CardiacCoug View PostMaybe I’m a Trump defender too but to me it’s not crazy to say: Yes Trump did something wrong, he deserves formal censure/warning, but doesn’t deserve impeachment.
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Originally posted by CardiacCoug View PostMaybe I’m a Trump defender too but to me it’s not crazy to say: Yes Trump did something wrong, he deserves formal censure/warning, but doesn’t deserve impeachment.
We don't know the extent of everything because important evidence has been withheld. His party protects him from any accountability and that just encouraged more brazen corruption.Last edited by frank ryan; 02-01-2020, 04:39 PM.
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