Social Media Outrage/Cancel Culture

[old_gregg]

That's not how I read his piece, but that's fine. I read that he was very careful about not making the claim that any of these allegations were true, (let alone 100% not authenticated). Only that they were severe enough and the accumulation of questionable materials significant enough that for the media to generally abstain from reporting on it is itself a story. He argues that their inclusion of the specifics is required because they support the thesis that the media should be aggressively investigating the story.



He never said here are a bunch of things which are likely true, he said here's a serious set of allegations which should be investigated. They could all be manufactured propaganda, if so, what better than to conclusively expose them as such?

For the record, all of the allegations could be true, and I still want Biden to defeat Trump, because yes, he does the same kinds of things (likely worse) regularly.

ok buddy. quick list of things from two seconds of skimming that are presented as factual or are otherwise objectionable from an editorial perspective:

the laptop is hunder biden's
the biden family pursued business opportunities in china
journalists "concoct[ed] excuses to justify [biden's] silence"
the statement that biden "has never even considered being involved in business with his family, nor in any business overseas" is not a complete denial of the allegations
"it is clear to me that the trove of documents from Hunter Biden’s emails has been verified in ways quite similar to those." glad it's clear to you, glenn.
"neither Hunter Biden nor the Biden campaign has even suggested, let alone claimed, that a single email or text is fake." swampfrog, you have not denied that this text message i received from an unnamed source (which i will not show you nor will i provide its metadata that would easily prove its provenance) which unequivocally states that you molest sheep. your silence is conclusive evidence of your sheep molestation. i demand ksl run a story about your sheep molestation today.
"The silence of the Bidens may not be dispositive on the question of the material’s authenticity, but when added to the mountain of other authentication evidence, it is quite convincing: at least equal to the authentication evidence in other reporting on similarly large archives." see above, sheep molester.
"the media rush to exonerate Biden on the question of whether he engaged in corruption vis-a-vis Ukraine and Burisma rested on what are, at best, factually dubious defenses of the former Vice President." interesting what glenn is willing to call dubious. i wonder if our disease-eyed trump supporting computer repairman thinks the same thing about this.
"But that claim does not even pass the laugh test. The U.S. and its European allies are not opposed to corruption by their puppet regimes. They are allies with the most corrupt regimes on the planet, from Riyadh to Cairo, and always have been. Since when does the U.S. devote itself to ensuring good government in the nations it is trying to control? If anything, allowing corruption to flourish has been a key tool in enabling the U.S. to exert power in other countries and to open up their markets to U.S. companies." glenn greenwald hates the united states. it's why he published the snowden materials, it's why he emigrated, and it's why he continually shits on everything the united states does or is responsible for. bias matters.
"It takes an enormous amount of gullibility to believe that any humans are capable of separating such an intense partisan preference from their journalistic judgment. " indeed, glenn.

[USUC]

It's a faux academic word created to legitimize creating people as victims.

This is nonsense Frank. Viewpoint diversity is a straightforward concept and has been "muddied" by those who have cultivated the monoculture. You and I both know what it means and that it exists.

[swampfrog]

this isn't "viewpoint diversity" (), this is about his insane proposed treatment of a factual background that is 100% not authenticated.

That's not how I read his piece, but that's fine. I read that he was very careful about not making the claim that any of these allegations were true, (let alone 100% not authenticated). Only that they were severe enough and the accumulation of questionable materials significant enough that for the media to generally abstain from reporting on it is itself a story. He argues that their inclusion of the specifics is required because they support the thesis that the media should be aggressively investigating the story.

I don't agree that the sections regarding the serious questions raised by the emails that Biden should have to answer are either unnecessary or inaccurate. While I'm willing to talk about any specific factual inaccuracies you think are present, I'm not willing to remove those sections -- in part because I think that discussion is important in its own right, but also because the discussion of why the media should be pursuing this story more aggressively, and why they were wrong to try to bury it, requires demonstrating that there's a real story here that deserves coverage.

He never said here are a bunch of things which are likely true, he said here's a serious set of allegations which should be investigated. They could all be manufactured propaganda, if so, what better than to conclusively expose them as such?

For the record, all of the allegations could be true, and I still want Biden to defeat Trump, because yes, he does the same kinds of things (likely worse) regularly.

[Eddie]

It's a faux academic word created to legitimize creating people as victims.

Well - I have a diverse viewpoint from you on this. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.

[frank ryan]

What's the potentially offensive term this is replacing?

It's a faux academic word created to legitimize painting people as victims.

[frank ryan]

here's a link which glenn greenwald thinks justifies his shit fittery, when it just shows that he's a piece of shit as a colleague and as a "journalist":

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/ema...ditors-showing

The way Greenwald curated the Snowden and wikileaks releases should tell you all you need to know. It's so funny Greenwald is breathless about this, while downplaying any scandal involving Trump. He is a lot like his bff Assange.

[Flystripper]

this isn't "viewpoint diversity" (), this is about his insane proposed treatment of a factual background that is 100% not authenticated.

It is even worse than Trump retweeting conspiracy theories. He wants to write the conspiracy theory article that Trump retweets. It is a good thing that his editors want to have a modicum of credibility in what their company publishes. To ask for a point counter point treatment is giving his shit writing too much credence, good for the editors to push back against a "founder".

[Jeff Lebowski]

here's a link which glenn greenwald thinks justifies his shit fittery, when it just shows that he's a piece of shit as a colleague and as a "journalist":

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/ema...ditors-showing

I am think I am with you on this one. This is the end of the email:

Returning to my suggestion at the top of this memo, I think the draft could work if it is revised and shortened to focus on the sections about liberal media bias, about Joe Biden not being directly asked questions as much as he should (using your submitted questions to center that), and how all of this contributed to sub-optimal amounts of reporting on the corruption allegations, which, although they aren’t backed by any evidence implicating Joe Biden himself, nonetheless reveal greater detail about how his family has used his name for profit. This version could be around 2000 words, which is enough to cover the ground I’ve outlined here.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

[old_gregg]

There are an increasing number of media and academic sources making the case that cancel culture and institutional censorship (especially in academia and media) are rising and have the same root--intolerance for viewpoint diversity. In this case he is specifically stating that this is the last straw, but it is a pattern of behavior in center-left institutions--in this case The Intercept specifically--that is being objected to. Categorizing a seasoned media veteran's well articulated essay as a simple "hissy fit"? Disagree.

this isn't "viewpoint diversity" (), this is about his insane proposed treatment of a factual background that is 100% not authenticated.

[old_gregg]

here's a link which glenn greenwald thinks justifies his shit fittery, when it just shows that he's a piece of shit as a colleague and as a "journalist":

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-editors-showing

[old_gregg]

There are an increasing number of media and academic sources making the case that cancel culture and institutional censorship (especially in academia and media) are rising and have the same root--intolerance for viewpoint diversity. In this case he is specifically stating that this is the last straw, but it is a pattern of behavior in center-left institutions--in this case The Intercept specifically--that is being objected to. Categorizing a seasoned media veteran's well articulated essay as a simple "hissy fit"? Disagree.

what are you talking about? he wanted to run a story about the hunter biden emails with factual inaccuracies and implications that joe biden is corrupt. like every other editorial board that does not report on elvis's current whereabouts, they said no. he did not like that. he is throwing a drama queen shit fit. also, calling glenn greenwald a season media veteran is hilarious--he is a partisan hack who lucked into the leak of the century.

[swampfrog]

Additional information for interested parties.

The Intercept editor's response can be found here:

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Glenn has posted the last draft of his rejected piece here, including this tidbit:

I will also, in a separate post, publish all communications I had with Intercept editors surrounding this article so you can see the censorship in action and, given the Intercept’s denials, decide for yourselves...

[beefytee]

I've never seen a more politically correct term in my life.

What's the potentially offensive term this is replacing?

[frank ryan]

There are an increasing number of media and academic sources making the case that cancel culture and institutional censorship (especially in academia and media) are rising and have the same root--intolerance for viewpoint diversity. In this case he is specifically stating that this is the last straw, but it is a pattern of behavior in center-left institutions--in this case The Intercept specifically--that is being objected to. Categorizing a seasoned media veteran's well articulated essay as a simple "hissy fit"? Disagree.

I've never seen a more politically correct term in my life.

[swampfrog]

do you understand what cancel culture is? nobody would blame cancel culture if a news outlet refused to run a story about a bigfoot sighting or the rothschilds being lizard people and the editor threw a hissy fit and quit.

There are an increasing number of media and academic sources making the case that cancel culture and institutional censorship (especially in academia and media) are rising and have the same root--intolerance for viewpoint diversity. In this case he is specifically stating that this is the last straw, but it is a pattern of behavior in center-left institutions--in this case The Intercept specifically--that is being objected to. Categorizing a seasoned media veteran's well articulated essay as a simple "hissy fit"? Disagree.