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  • Hallelujah
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 2741

    #16
    Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
    It's ridiculous that this is going on. A private citizen makes a film with his own opinion of Mrs. Clinton's political views and the Supreme Court is now going to decide if it was free speech or not?

    Here's what will happen. The vote will be 5-4. Same justices that always vote together will do so again. Not based on law but on liberal/conservative agenda. The Supreme Court has become not so supreme. A nation ruled by judges. Where have I heard that one before?
    Last edited by Hallelujah; 06-29-2009, 09:31 AM.

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    • Hallelujah
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 2741

      #17
      Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
      It's not a free speech issue. It's a campaigning issue. When Michael Moore releases his little movies two weeks before an election, he also should be bound by regulations governing campaign material.

      Holy freaking cow! I agree with NS.

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      • Non Sequitur
        Where did I put my bodkin
        • Nov 2008
        • 5773

        #18
        Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
        I only consider it campaign propaganda if it's endorsed by a particular candidate or political party. I don't think the guy who made the film about Mrs. Clinton had any such endorsements, nor am I aware of any with any of Moore's films.
        That's a pretty big loophole. All you have to do is not endorse it and it can go forth unregulated. That's like telling your bishop, "...while it is true that I did receive a hand-job, it was not solicited and I did not acknowledge it later."
        "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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        • il Padrino Ute
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 19161

          #19
          Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
          That's a pretty big loophole. All you have to do is not endorse it and it can go forth unregulated. That's like telling your bishop, "...while it is true that I did receive a hand-job, it was not solicited and I did not acknowledge it later."
          So, citizens should only be allowed to comment on politicians when it's not an election year?
          "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


          "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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          • Non Sequitur
            Where did I put my bodkin
            • Nov 2008
            • 5773

            #20
            Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
            So, citizens should only be allowed to comment on politicians when it's not an election year?
            Hey, I didn't make the election laws. But if the existing laws say that campaign literature should be regulated during an election period, it seems reasonable to determine whether a bipartisan movie that comes during an election period falls within the realm of campaign propaganda. It's a fair proposition.
            "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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            • il Padrino Ute
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 19161

              #21
              Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
              Hey, I didn't make the election laws. But if the existing laws say that campaign literature should be regulated during an election period, it seems reasonable to determine whether a bipartisan movie that comes during an election period falls within the realm of campaign propaganda. It's a fair proposition.
              I understand what you're saying, but unless a candidate endorses something, I just don't see it as campaign propaganda.

              We'll have to agree to disagree about this.
              "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


              "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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              • Non Sequitur
                Where did I put my bodkin
                • Nov 2008
                • 5773

                #22
                Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                We'll have to agree to disagree about this.
                I never agree to disagree. I much prefer to disagree about agreeing.
                "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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                • il Padrino Ute
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19161

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
                  I never agree to disagree. I much prefer to disagree about agreeing.
                  I can agree to that.
                  "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                  "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                  • BlueHair
                    Boom Bitches!!!
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 2894

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Hallelujah View Post
                    Here's what will happen. The vote will be 5-4. Same justices that always vote together will do so again. Not based on law but on liberal/conservative agenda. The Supreme Court has become not so supreme. A nation ruled by judges. Where have I heard that one before?
                    Balance is a good thing. Do you really expect every vote to be 9-0? Any vote that ends up 9-0 is a gigantic waste of the court's time.
                    Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks

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                    • Hallelujah
                      Junior Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 2741

                      #25
                      Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
                      Balance is a good thing. Do you really expect every vote to be 9-0? Any vote that ends up 9-0 is a gigantic waste of the court's time.

                      You missed the point. SAme justices vote as a block on 90% of the cases based on their ideology, not the law.

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                      • il Padrino Ute
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 19161

                        #26
                        Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
                        Balance is a good thing. Do you really expect every vote to be 9-0? Any vote that ends up 9-0 is a gigantic waste of the court's time.
                        I don't know if 4 votes supporting discrimination is a good thing.
                        "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                        "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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