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Originally posted by creekster View PostJust out of curiosity, who are the socialists here?"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by creekster View PostJust out of curiosity, who are the socialists here?"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Originally posted by creekster View PostI agree wholeheartedly with your description of Trump. Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts. Can't both be true?
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostOf course, but I find Trump supporters' obsession with pointing out the flaws of people no longer in office, with zero likelihood of ever taking office again, to be usually pointless, weird and unbecoming. Why not focus on those in power, where change is at least theoretically possible and something to strive for? But given Trump's obvious flaws, it's easier to point out the problems of those in the past, rather than defend the ones we're facing now.
Moreover, there are millions (think about that: MILLIONS) of people that voted for Trump. Some of them idiots, but some of them pretty mainstream and some very intelligent. Keeping track of the positions UT puts forth reminds us of WHY they did so. It is very easy to dismiss these people as complete idiots and simply discard half the electorate as fooled or worthless. But the other half of the electorate is equally stretched between idiots and geniuses. It is much better to try to understand how we got to Trump and to see him as the end of a defective process than to see him as an aberration that can be easily expunged and ignored. We cannot go back to how it was because 'how it was' gave us Trump. So we MUST understand what was rotten on both sides so we can move forward avoiding ALL of it.
TLDR: Its the antidote for Trump Derangement Syndrome.Last edited by creekster; 07-25-2018, 02:39 PM.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostI am not sure that is an accurate explanation for why it happens in general and I think it definitely doesn't apply to our own Uncle Ted. UT can speak for himself, but to me it looks like a lot of people here criticize Trump freely for being all the things you described. And they are right and it is all true. And yet, those truths don't address the substance of issues we are facing as a nation and even allow his detractors to feel smugly superior when, as UT often points out, the other side is NOT necessarily (and rarely) superior, they just wear nicer or more palatable clothes. It is easy to criticize Trump and to keep a watchful eye on his idiocy. But we need to be careful to what end we are criticizing and to make a distinction with a difference.
Moreover, there are millions (think about that: MILLIONS) of people that voted for Trump. Some of them idiots, but some of them pretty mainstream and some very intelligent. Keeping track of the positions UT puts forth reminds us of WHY they did so. It is very easy to dismiss these people as complete idiots and simply discard half the electorate as fooled or worthless. But the other half of the electorate is equally stretched between idiots and geniuses. It is much better to try to understand how we got to Trump and to see him as the end of a defective process than to see him as an aberration that can be easily expunged and ignored. We cannot go back to how it was because 'how it was' gave us Trump. So we MUST understand what was rotten on both sides so we can move forward avoiding ALL of it.
TLDR: Its the antidote for Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I should say, I don't mind his posts. I get a chuckle out of his sheer tenacity. But he's not posting to further the cause of thoughtful political discourse. And maybe many of us aren't either.Last edited by Northwestcoug; 07-25-2018, 02:56 PM."...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Originally posted by creekster View PostI am not sure that is an accurate explanation for why it happens in general and I think it definitely doesn't apply to our own Uncle Ted. UT can speak for himself, but to me it looks like a lot of people here criticize Trump freely for being all the things you described. And they are right and it is all true. And yet, those truths don't address the substance of issues we are facing as a nation and even allow his detractors to feel smugly superior when, as UT often points out, the other side is NOT necessarily (and rarely) superior, they just wear nicer or more palatable clothes. It is easy to criticize Trump and to keep a watchful eye on his idiocy. But we need to be careful to what end we are criticizing and to make a distinction with a difference.
Moreover, there are millions (think about that: MILLIONS) of people that voted for Trump. Some of them idiots, but some of them pretty mainstream and some very intelligent. Keeping track of the positions UT puts forth reminds us of WHY they did so. It is very easy to dismiss these people as complete idiots and simply discard half the electorate as fooled or worthless. But the other half of the electorate is equally stretched between idiots and geniuses. It is much better to try to understand how we got to Trump and to see him as the end of a defective process than to see him as an aberration that can be easily expunged and ignored. We cannot go back to how it was because 'how it was' gave us Trump. So we MUST understand what was rotten on both sides so we can move forward avoiding ALL of it.
I'd like a candidate who isn't a demagogue and who gives me a reason to vote for him or her, not against someone else.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostDespite the pleasant and somewhat cathartic feeling I get when describing what a loathsome person Trump is, I agree that focusing on that, or projecting his myriad flaws onto many of those who voted for him, is a fruitless strategy if one wants to get rid of him. It merely emboldens, rather than sways, his base. Trump got to where he is by pretending to be among the populists, who (candidly) are life's losers. I really don't mean that pejoratively or condescendingly. They've failed to achieve their dream, often through no fault of their own, and they're looking for someone to lift them up. And that's what Trump (and Bernie) promised them, while Hillary often appeared to mock them.
I'd like a candidate who isn't a demagogue and who gives me a reason to vote for him or her, not against someone else.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostDidn't mean to imply it was the only explanation (is there ever only one?).PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostDespite the pleasant and somewhat cathartic feeling I get when describing what a loathsome person Trump is, I agree that focusing on that, or projecting his myriad flaws onto many of those who voted for him, is a fruitless strategy if one wants to get rid of him. It merely emboldens, rather than sways, his base. Trump got to where he is by pretending to be among the populists, who (candidly) are life's losers. I really don't mean that pejoratively or condescendingly. They've failed to achieve their dream, often through no fault of their own, and they're looking for someone to lift them up. And that's what Trump (and Bernie) promised them, while Hillary often appeared to mock them.
I don't think his supporters care what he has done with his personal life although liberals are making an yuge deal of it. Maybe because they can't find any evidence of russian collusion. Didn't everyone already know that Drumpf was a billionaire playboy before he even announced he was running for president?
Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI'd like a candidate who isn't a demagogue and who gives me a reason to vote for him or her, not against someone else."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostTrump got to where he is by pretending to be among the populists, who (candidly) are life's losers. I really don't mean that pejoratively or condescendingly. They've failed to achieve their dream, often through no fault of their own, and they're looking for someone to lift them up.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostDespite the pleasant and somewhat cathartic feeling I get when describing what a loathsome person Trump is, I agree that focusing on that, or projecting his myriad flaws onto many of those who voted for him, is a fruitless strategy if one wants to get rid of him. It merely emboldens, rather than sways, his base. Trump got to where he is by pretending to be among the populists, who (candidly) are life's losers. I really don't mean that pejoratively or condescendingly. They've failed to achieve their dream, often through no fault of their own, and they're looking for someone to lift them up. And that's what Trump (and Bernie) promised them, while Hillary often appeared to mock them.
I'd like a candidate who isn't a demagogue and who gives me a reason to vote for him or her, not against someone else.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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