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[VirginiaCougar]

Are you saying FoxNews has a smaller viewership/group and they focused on that group??

Doesn't FoxNews pretty much dominate the ratings (Viewership) on a nightly basis?? Your example doesn't make sense to me at all...

Smaller relative to what news programs used to get - yes, that is what I am arguing. Looking at the ratings, FoxNews' best numbers (O'Rielly) had about 3.4million viewers out of about 115 million TV viewing households (not couting actual viewers and also minus those under 2 which they substract). NBC Nightly News had 7.9 million. Look historically at news ratings, and the Fox numbers are very small in comparison.

You can win over CNN and MSNBC and still have smaller viewership. The Fox model does win because that smaller audience is very dedicated, they have been sold a bill of goods that if something doesn't coincide with what Fox tells them it is biased. The fact that they beat MSNBC (who uses the same model on the left) and CNN (which doesn't do that and think that completely empty news works best-equally absurd) is actually proof of the success of the model. Fox doesn't try to be the news station for all. Roger Ailes has admitted this numerous times.

[byu71]

Yes.

(Actually, my bad - I see after posting this that the question wasn't directed at me. My answer is the same, but again my mistake for answering something you asked JL.)

NO problem. I committed a bigger sin and took a low blow shot at you earlier.

I am no doubt conservative. One who thinks Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck are all out to lunch over the top.

My point is Fox does not have straight Hannity's on the air. MSNBC pretty much has straight Crissy Matthews, Rachel Maddcow, etc. on the air.

I know both you and Lebowski are highly intelligent people. I am shocked you both think the two networks are equal in their
extremism.

[Pelado]

Smaller relative to what news programs used to get - yes, that is what I am arguing. Looking at the ratings, FoxNews' best numbers (O'Rielly) had about 3.4million viewers out of about 115 million TV viewing households (not couting actual viewers and also minus those under 2 which they substract). NBC Nightly News had 7.9 million. Look historically at news ratings, and the Fox numbers are very small in comparison.

You can win over CNN and MSNBC and still have smaller viewership. The Fox model does win because that smaller audience is very dedicated, they have been sold a bill of goods that if something doesn't coincide with what Fox tells them it is biased. The fact that they beat MSNBC (who uses the same model on the left) and CNN (which doesn't do that and think that completely empty news works best-equally absurd) is actually proof of the success of the model. Fox doesn't try to be the news station for all. Roger Ailes has admitted this numerous times.

Comparison to a network station isn't exactly apples to apples. How do Fox's current ratings compare to what CNN's ratings used to be?

[dabrockster]

Smaller relative to what news programs used to get - yes, that is what I am arguing. Looking at the ratings, FoxNews' best numbers (O'Rielly) had about 3.4million viewers out of about 115 million TV viewing households (not couting actual viewers and also minus those under 2 which they substract). NBC Nightly News had 7.9 million. Look historically at news ratings, and the Fox numbers are very small in comparison.

You can win over CNN and MSNBC and still have smaller viewership. The Fox model does win because that smaller audience is very dedicated, they have been sold a bill of goods that if something doesn't coincide with what Fox tells them it is biased. The fact that they beat MSNBC (who uses the same model on the left) and CNN (which doesn't do that and think that completely empty news works best-equally absurd) is actually proof of the success of the model. Fox doesn't try to be the news station for all. Roger Ailes has admitted this numerous times.

NBC Nightly news is on your local NBC channel correct(??), which pretty much ANYONE with an antenna can get Vs. Fox News which is on the cable network. Not sure that is a best comparison..

[SCcoug]

NO problem. I committed a bigger sin and took a low blow shot at you earlier.

I am no doubt conservative. One who thinks Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck are all out to lunch over the top.

My point is Fox does not have straight Hannity's on the air. MSNBC pretty much has straight Crissy Matthews, Rachel Maddcow, etc. on the air.

I know both you and Lebowski are highly intelligent people. I am shocked you both think the two networks are equal in their
extremism.

Yes Fox is biased in different ways than other networks are biased. However have hosts on Fox given donation checks to or asked for autographs from their team's politicians on air? There is also this:

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[Jeff Lebowski]

NO problem. I committed a bigger sin and took a low blow shot at you earlier.

I am no doubt conservative. One who thinks Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck are all out to lunch over the top.

My point is Fox does not have straight Hannity's on the air. MSNBC pretty much has straight Crissy Matthews, Rachel Maddcow, etc. on the air.

I know both you and Lebowski are highly intelligent people. I am shocked you both think the two networks are equal in their
extremism.

Exactly equal? Impossible to say. Both are extremely biased.

[VirginiaCougar]

True, but that is the point. That is the value of the "Fox Model" On Cable TV. You don't need a large national audience, but a very committed and smaller audience - tell those few million what they want to hear and make money.

Sadly, that model makes fair and objective news programs that much harder financially.

[VirginiaCougar]

Yes Fox is biased in different ways than other networks are biased. However have hosts on Fox given donation checks to or asked for autographs from their team's politicians on air? There is also this:

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Interesting chart and a valid point. However, the ideological content permeates both the Commentary/Opinion and "factual" reporting categories. In fact, in many ways FOX is more problematic in that it sells its ideological content on a larger amount of supposed "news" programming. Its one thing to watch Maddow or Hannity and know what they represent and another to say, this isn't opinion, its "news" and then do similar ideological content.

[dabrockster]

True, but that is the point. That is the value of the "Fox Model" On Cable TV. You don't need a large national audience, but a very committed and smaller audience - tell those few million what they want to hear and make money.

Sadly, that model makes fair and objective news programs that much harder financially.

Then don't compare a "National Nightly News" network with FoxNews. That is not apples to apples in the comparison you gave in stating they had a smaller viewership comparable to NBC Nightly news..

[Sleeping in EQ]

Can you elaborate why you don't think it's a big deal? I realize that it's all a show, but don't you think that staging the newscast in such a way affects the credibility of the news organization at least a little bit?

I'm happy to elaborate. In this situation you have two production teams, each working for a different channel (CNN and HLN). Each of these teams has a shooting schedule, with a plan to get footage and do interviews at particular times. Often these schedules are a mix of live and "in the can" shots, but there isn't coordination between the teams.

Banfield's shooting schedule is a list of approximate times when they will cut to her. She might not even look at the schedule, but her technical people--including camera people, the person in the MWC SAT Truck, a hair stylist and someone who makes sure her fly is zipped and her bra strap isn't showing--will do so. Grace's shooting schedule is mostly in the evening, and her team probably has nothing other than a note to do a quickie for the CNN morning show. Both teams are in Arizona to cover that crazy Mormon lady's blood atonement trial, but now they need to set up what they might do about the psychos in Cleveland.

The amusing part is that both teams picked the same location--the parking lot across from the courthouse, or whatever. There is little or no coordination between the production teams, and I have never heard of such coordination between channels. These folks are working for two distinct bureaucracies. Moreover, since both shows are scheduled to go through the satellite, why would there be? Banfield and Grace don't see what's on TV during the shot, and a producer back at CNN HQ cuts the footage for the morning show viewers, and oversees the person who streams the words and titles, and triggers the gimmicks. None of the HQ people will know the exact location of either production team. Grace's team might have even used the footage later, and differently.

I can imagine both production teams showing up at the same spot and saying, "You people need to move." Funny stuff.

[VirginiaCougar]

Then don't compare a "National Nightly News" network with FoxNews. That is not apples to apples in the comparison you gave in stating they had a smaller viewership comparable to NBC Nightly news..

You miss the point. Either that or you are completely agreeing with my argument about the Fox Model.