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  • Why do people follow the Dow? What is this, the 1980s?
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
      Why do people follow the Dow? What is this, the 1980s?
      No, it is 2015. Hope that helps!
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      • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
        Why do people follow the Dow? What is this, the 1980s?
        What benchmark do you follow, if not the DJIA? I'm Honestly curious. NASDAQ seems too specialized. S & P, maybe?

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        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          The Dow up big today. I hope CMBF got back in in time!
          I bet that CMBF is thinking it is just a dead cat bounce. Just how high do dead cats bounce anyway?

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          • Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post
            What benchmark do you follow, if not the DJIA? I'm Honestly curious. NASDAQ seems too specialized. S & P, maybe?
            Moli follows the WTI.
            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post
              What benchmark do you follow, if not the DJIA? I'm Honestly curious. NASDAQ seems too specialized. S & P, maybe?
              https://www.edwardjones.com/en_US/pr...nts/index.html
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              The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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              • Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post
                What benchmark do you follow, if not the DJIA? I'm Honestly curious. NASDAQ seems too specialized. S & P, maybe?
                Yeah, weird response by Eddie Jones.

                The Dow Jones Industrial Average, often called "the Dow Jones" or simply "the Dow," is the most closely-watched benchmark of the U.S. stock market. Investors check and discuss it more often than any other indicator of the economy, according to "The New York Times."
                http://finance.zacks.com/investors-w...sely-5470.html
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                • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                  Moli follows the WTI.
                  but it's CL if you are a trader and more people care about Brent

                  I follow the S&P. The Dow is fine but it's a weird and antiquated way to determine the Heath of the stock market. The only reason it still gets airtime is because it's bigger in terms of dollars. It sounds more dramatic to have a 619 point rally instead of a 73 point rally. And in that case, the dollar amount of the rally is meaningless. People should be using percentages...but what do I know
                  "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Yeah, weird response by Eddie Jones.



                    http://finance.zacks.com/investors-w...sely-5470.html
                    Right, it's most quoted because it has bigger numbers that sound really dramatic. The S&P does a better job on telling the story of the market given that it includes 500 companies instead of 30 blue chippers.
                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                    • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                      Right, it's most quoted because it has bigger numbers that sound really dramatic. The S&P does a better job on telling the story of the market given that it includes 500 companies instead of 30 blue chippers.
                      If if makes you feel better, both were up an almost identical amount today.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                      • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        Yeah, weird response by Eddie Jones.
                        Not weird response by Eddie Jones. Correct response by Eddie Jones.

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                        • Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                          Not weird response by Eddie Jones. Correct response by Eddie Jones.
                          Haha. You folks and your nitpicking.

                          Whether you like the Dow or not, it is still widely used as a barometer. Either way, my statement was never meant to indicate any kind of preference for the Dow. Just mentioning that the market is up today. Couldn't care less which index folks prefer.
                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • Originally posted by pelagius View Post
                            Not weird response by Eddie Jones. Correct response by Eddie Jones.
                            Boom! I'm sure Viking would also agree with me!
                            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                            • Go Obama's economy! Fiscal policies seem to working today!
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                              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                Haha. You folks and your nitpicking.

                                Whether you like the Dow or not, it is still widely used as a barometer. Either way, my statement was never meant to indicate any kind of preference for the Dow. Just mentioning that the market is up today. Couldn't care less which index folks prefer.
                                Ok, if you say so. Look, the DJIA is fine but the S&P500 or even broader based market indexes are clearly technically superior metrics. It's not that big of deal given that the daily correlation for the DJIA and the S&P500 usually hover around 0.95. Really, if you want an overall look at the markets you should do something like: SPY, EFA, EEM.

                                Historical daily return correlation: 1985-2014
                                Code:
                                                ret          
                                tick           ^DJI     ^GSPC
                                    tick                     
                                ret ^DJI   1.000000  0.965008
                                    ^GSPC  0.965008  1.000000
                                Last edited by pelagius; 08-26-2015, 02:53 PM.

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