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  • creekster
    It is NOT a monkey!
    • Nov 2008
    • 22661

    #631
    Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Grading on the curve, I give his opening a B+. My comparison is Justice Thomas’s speech, which I thought was spectacular. A+. It saved him. I recall he didn’t read it, and it was full of metaphor, detail, allusions, passion and rage. A supremely intelligent and well delivered speech that drew on his challenges as a black man who was born into poverty. He powerfully identified himself as a victim of prejudices against black males. (Of courses, Kavanough’s privileged background is coming out strongly in the hearings, even as he reviews his calendar, etc., so he doesn’t have some advantages Thomas had.)

    But I think that Kavanaugh’s responses to the questions are C or C+. The eye rolling and disgusted looks, fighting wiht the questioner, do not make a good witness. He should know that
    Fair evaluation of the opening. But I think his responses to the questions are inconsistent. Some are better than C+ but some are barely a C. My impression is that he is not an extremely quick thinker. He is very smart, and is likely one of those guys who never let's go of a fact he has sunk his teeth into, but he is not quick. As a result he stumbles a bit and because he is angry he comes across as disjointed and somewhat inarticulate. He is no trial lawyer, IOW. but I see nothing that makes me think he is obviously lying.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    • smokymountainrain
      Impressive Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 22593

      #632
      the lesson: WoW for the win! thanks, brother joseph!
      I'm like LeBron James.
      -mpfunk

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      • Jeff Lebowski
        Corporate lackey for Jesus
        • Nov 2008
        • 69425

        #633
        Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
        the lesson: WoW for the win! thanks, brother joseph!
        Exactly.

        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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        • Moliere
          One man.....one pie
          • Oct 2009
          • 27775

          #634
          Originally posted by creekster View Post
          ALthough that would mean he is lying. No matter what, someone is lying here.
          I believe that Ford truly believes she was sexually assaulted. I also believe that Kav truly believes he did not sexually assault her. I also believe neither of them are lying
          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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          • Bo Diddley
            Senior
            • Jul 2012
            • 18686

            #635
            Originally posted by Moliere View Post
            I believe that Ford truly believes she was sexually assaulted. I also believe that Kav truly believes he did not sexually assault her. I also believe neither of them are lying
            Unless you think memories are infallible, how could you discount this possibility?

            I hate that the Democrats made this as political as possible. I'd also rather that Trump put another name forward.

            Any chance that BK is compromised? Does this process taint his voice on the SC moving forward?

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            • CardiacCoug
              вот так штука
              • Nov 2008
              • 11013

              #636
              Originally posted by Moliere View Post
              I believe that Ford truly believes she was sexually assaulted. I also believe that Kav truly believes he did not sexually assault her. I also believe neither of them are lying
              Yep. Memories from decades ago are more similar to dreams than to video tapes. I agree that they may both be telling the truth as they remember it.

              Kavanaugh was understandably very emotional and angry like anybody would be and it hurt his “performance” for sure.

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              • Northwestcoug
                Cocked and Loaded
                • May 2011
                • 17895

                #637
                I didn't hear all of it. But I wanted someone to ask Kavanaugh about Ed Whelan's theory that it was one of the other boys who assaulted Ford. Just to get on record that he wasn't involved in propagating that theory.
                "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                - SeattleUte

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                • old_gregg
                  scaly man fish
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 16915

                  #638
                  Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post
                  I hate that the Democrats made this as political as possible.
                  Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                  • LiveCoug
                    LA Ute loves me
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 18480

                    #639
                    My facebook friends are split on this Kavanaugh - Ford debate.

                    You will all be shocked to discover that my republican/conservative friends are #teamKavanaugh and my democrat/liberal friends are #teamFord

                    Isn't that crazy???

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                    • SeattleUte
                      Faith crisis consultant
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 20837

                      #640
                      Yes, this is 100% politics. Democrats want to stall until after the mid-terms and the polls will determine the outcome. But Republican complaints about that ring hollow, after they held Scalia’s seat open for what, 10 months.

                      I’m disgusted with everybody.
                      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                      --Jonathan Swift

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                      • Surfah
                        Where's Wallace?
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 33726

                        #641
                        Oddsshark has Kavanaugh at -400 after today's hearing. Was -200 before to be confirmed.
                        "Nobody listens to Turtle."
                        -Turtle
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                        • Art Vandelay
                          Striving for mediocrity
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 10516

                          #642
                          Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                          Oddsshark has Kavanaugh at -400 after today's hearing. Was -200 before to be confirmed.
                          Lots of fluctuations though-out the day.

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                          • Babs
                            Not a Lawyer
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 17128

                            #643
                            Odds are asymptotically approaching zero, imo.

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                            • Topper
                              Pre-Historic Man
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 11764

                              #644
                              Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                              Yes, this is 100% politics. Democrats want to stall until after the mid-terms and the polls will determine the outcome. But Republican complaints about that ring hollow, after they held Scalia’s seat open for what, 10 months.

                              I’m disgusted with everybody.
                              I don't have an opinion if Kavanaugh should be confirmed or rejected, because I haven't reviewed his judicial opinions or history, merely some synopses.

                              The process, since the Borking of Bork on July 1, 1987, has rendered the Senatorial duty of advise and confirm into a circus.

                              If you review the appointments since Bork, it has usually been the Democrats who've made into a circus, starting with Justice Thomas, but also with Gorsuch.

                              The GOP played nice with the Clinton nominees and with Obama's nominees, but the Dems challenged to varying degrees different nominees.

                              Review the history of nominees here, for an interesting look at those nominations that lapsed, were rejected or withdrawn.



                              It hasn't always been smooth sailing and the history of Supreme Court battles is far from tranquil.
                              "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                              Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                              • Pelado
                                Bald not naked
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 21076

                                #645
                                Originally posted by Topper View Post
                                If you review the appointments since Bork, it has usually been the Democrats who've made into a circus, starting with Justice Thomas, but also with Gorsuch.
                                Why would the Republicans need to put up a fight when they still have a mostly conservative majority on the court?
                                "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                                - Goatnapper'96

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