On abortion

[Art Vandelay]

As someone who is relatively ambivalent on the subject, I'm so annoyed that abortion will play an even bigger role in our politics for the foreseeable future. And it's not like the extremes on either side will ever be placated.

Just was texting back and forth with a friend (obviously it's not YO) about this. Was saying: If you thought Trump, BLM or COVID brought out the extremists, wait until abortion become topic 1-25 again. The rhetoric and potential for violence will be a 100% worse, IMO

[YOhio]

Disturbing because the opinion wasn't final. It's typical for a justice to circulate an opinion for further discussion and, occasionally, substantial revision, even occasional vote-changing, all of which must occur in camera to reduce outside influence, among other things. As others have noted, if the source is determined, that person's legal career is over or at least substantially diminished.

While at the same time that person's political/media career is looking bright.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Disturbing from a "moral" perspective (i.e. it disturbs your sense of morals about women's rights) or disturbing from a legal perspective (i.e. you think Roe v. Wade was a legally sound decision), or both?

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Disturbing because the opinion wasn't final. It's typical for a justice to circulate an opinion for further discussion and, occasionally, substantial revision, even occasional vote-changing, all of which must occur in camera to reduce outside influence, among other things. As others have noted, if the source is determined, that person's legal career is over or at least substantially diminished.

[YOhio]

As someone who is relatively ambivalent on the subject, I'm so annoyed that abortion will play an even bigger role in our politics for the foreseeable future. And it's not like the extremes on either side will ever be placated.

[Applejack]

Disturbing from a "moral" perspective (i.e. it disturbs your sense of morals about women's rights) or disturbing from a legal perspective (i.e. you think Roe v. Wade was a legally sound decision), or both?

Personally, I'm not disturbed from either a moral or legal perspective, but I recognize that others have differing opinions on both perspectives.

I agree with PAC that it will revive the stupid idea of court packing, and that thought disturbs me.

Haha. Court-packing. The new boogey man. "The scary thing about electing Biden will be he will try to pack the court;" "The scary thing about making abortion illegal in large swaths of the country is that democrats will pack the court"; "the scary thing about an insurrection against our own government is that democrats will try to pack the court."

[Applejack]

Twelve-plus hours later, there appears to be little suggestion that the draft is not authentic.

Say whatever you want about the opinion. The leak is deeply disturbing.

Thank you. The opinion is weak: because drawing a line would be arbitrary we can't draw a line? Isn't that what most every law does? Speed limits, ounces of toothpaste that you can take on an airplane, etc. And courts do this all the time as well: You can hold a suspect without charging him for 48 hours, but not 49, etc.

Weird opinion. But I guess the 50-year plot to ruin America through easy access abortion has been thwarted.

[BigFatMeanie]

That is very disturbing that there would be that type of leak. It is also very disturbing that the court would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Disturbing from a "moral" perspective (i.e. it disturbs your sense of morals about women's rights) or disturbing from a legal perspective (i.e. you think Roe v. Wade was a legally sound decision), or both?

Personally, I'm not disturbed from either a moral or legal perspective, but I recognize that others have differing opinions on both perspectives.

I agree with PAC that it will revive the stupid idea of court packing, and that thought disturbs me.

[All-American]

I think Politico is pretty reliable, but this is hard to believe. Per that website, a draft opinion written by Alito and joined in by at least four others will be released within the next couple of months overturning Roe v. Wade. If true, this would be a very disturbing and unprecedented leak, would have a profound effect on the mid-terms, and might revive the stupid idea of court-packing. Anyone seen confirmation of this story?

Twelve-plus hours later, there appears to be little suggestion that the draft is not authentic.

Say whatever you want about the opinion. The leak is deeply disturbing.

[Pelado]

I think Politico is pretty reliable, but this is hard to believe. Per that website, a draft opinion written by Alito and joined in by at least four others will be released within the next couple of months overturning Roe v. Wade. If true, this would be a very disturbing and unprecedented leak, would have a profound effect on the mid-terms, and might revive the stupid idea of court-packing. Anyone seen confirmation of this story?

That story looks legit. If not, someone went through a lot of work to forge that draft.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I think Politico is pretty reliable, but this is hard to believe. Per that website, a draft opinion written by Alito and joined in by at least four others will be released within the next couple of months overturning Roe v. Wade. If true, this would be a very disturbing and unprecedented leak, would have a profound effect on the mid-terms, and might revive the stupid idea of court-packing. Anyone seen confirmation of this story?

That is very disturbing that there would be that type of leak. It is also very disturbing that the court would overturn Roe v. Wade.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I think Politico is pretty reliable, but this is hard to believe. Per that website, a draft opinion written by Alito and joined in by at least four others will be released within the next couple of months overturning Roe v. Wade. If true, this would be a very disturbing and unprecedented leak, would have a profound effect on the mid-terms, and might revive the stupid idea of court-packing. Anyone seen confirmation of this story?

[Sullyute]

No need! If the rape is the real deal, the body has an internal mechanism to shut that down.

[Commando]

You're pretty spot with some of these points. Logistically, would there be some Alabam comission on rape that would decide if a woman's claim was valid or not? Abortion is going to remain a loaded-term. That's not changing anytime soon.

No need! If the rape is the real deal, the body has an internal mechanism to shut that down.

[frank ryan]

Yep the euphemisms around abortion are ridiculous: women have a right to “control their reproductive lives” etc.

I personally believe that abortion should be legal through first trimester without restriction because I don’t want the government to be an arbiter of whether or not there has been a rape or whether there is a significant health challenge. But let’s call it killing an unborn baby and throwing it in the garbage. SJBH.

You're pretty spot with some of these points. Logistically, would there be some Alabam comission on rape that would decide if a woman's claim was valid or not? Abortion is going to remain a loaded-term. That's not changing anytime soon.

[Soccermom]

Yep the euphemisms around abortion are ridiculous: women have a right to “control their reproductive lives” etc.

I personally believe that abortion should be legal through first trimester without restriction because I don’t want the government to be an arbiter of whether or not there has been a rape or whether there is a significant health challenge. But let’s call it killing an unborn baby and throwing it in the garbage. SJBH.

I agree with you.