On abortion

[All-American]

Couldn't possibly be sanctity of life, right?

Oh, but that's so boring. Besides, we all know that protecting an interest group of which you are not a member is never really the true reason for supporting an extension of protection. Abolitionists are less concerned about the plight of slaves than about people getting rich off of slave labor. Less concern about women and minorities than about increasing your electorate base. Etc., etc., etc.

About five doses of cynicism too many for my tastes, honestly, and I'm a pretty cynical person.

[Jeff Lebowski]

But as for what really motivates Republicans, probably sexual morality and just anti-progress.

Couldn't possibly be sanctity of life, right?

[SeattleUte]

I speak SU. Allow me to translate:

Not just Black people. But yes, Blacks are disproportionately poor. Persuasive studies have shown that crime crashed once abortion became widely available. There's a very controversial couple of Freakonomics episodes on this.

These days Roe only protects the lowest rung of society. That's all it's about at this point.

But as for what really motivates Republicans, probably sexual morality and just anti-progress.

[SeattleUte]

Democrats would suggest that it is about controlling women.

For most people it will still be relatively easy to get an abortion after Roe is overturned. Only the very poor and/or dysfunctional who have no help will not get one if it's not legal in their state. It's not hard to cross state borders.

Moreover, the need for abortions has practically evaporated among most people because of effective contraception including morning after pill. The number of abortions have been crashing except among the dysfunctional and poor and some religious who reject contraception.

As much as conservatives loath progress, it's technological progress that has largely solved this awful problem. If there's not a massive outcry against overturning Roe, and I'm not convinced there will be, these will be the reasons.

[Clark Addison]

Interesting.

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Problem solved!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Interesting.

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[All-American]

I speak SU. Allow me to translate:

Democrats would suggest that it is about controlling women.

[Donuthole]

I don’t understand this comment. Care to make your point less vague?

I speak SU. Allow me to translate:

Statement: Considering who may not get abortions if Roe is overturned, it seem incongruous that conservative Republicans want that. This is about more than or other than saving babies.

Translation: Republicans are racists and hate black people; I'm surprised Republicans want to stop blacks from killing their own fetuses.

[Moliere]

The nice thing about morals is that they are different for everyone. I find it moral wrong to abort a fetus solely because it might have Down’s syndrome. I suspect many on the left disagree with me. We both see each other as morally wrong.

[Moliere]

Considering who may not get abortions if Roe is overturned, it seem incongruous that conservative Republicans want that. This is about more than or other than saving babies.

I don’t understand this comment. Care to make your point less vague?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ha nice try. Angry Imam tried to similarly deflect my argument a few pages back. But I’ll play along. Yeah that instance is a moral wrong. But a much worse thing is to restrict the vast majority of needful abortions based on an overzealous desire to stop the very rare callous instance that you describe.

Whoa. Wait a minute. Are you seriously under the impression that abortions for convenience are "very rare"?

[Northwestcoug]

Is it morally reprehensible to abort a viable fetus because it is inconvenient?

Ha nice try. Angry Imam tried to similarly deflect my argument a few pages back. But I’ll play along. Yeah that instance is a moral wrong. But a much worse thing is to restrict the vast majority of needful abortions based on an overzealous desire to stop the very rare callous instance that you describe.

[SeattleUte]

Considering who may not get abortions if Roe is overturned, it seem incongruous that conservative Republicans want that. This is about more than or other than saving babies.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Well as someone who supports most unfettered access to abortion, and if those European laws are restricted to 12 weeks as you say, then yeah I kind of think they are. But no matter what, they are less morally reprehensible than 6 week/heartbeat/no provision for rape or health of mother laws that are currently enacted here.

Is it morally reprehensible to abort a viable fetus because it is inconvenient?

[Northwestcoug]

Are the European laws morally wrong?

Well as someone who supports most unfettered access to abortion, and if those European laws are restricted to 12 weeks as you say, then yeah I kind of think they are. But no matter what, they are less morally reprehensible than 6 week/heartbeat/no provision for rape or health of mother laws that are currently enacted here.