On abortion

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here's a different reading of the NY law:

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2019/02/01/abortion-law-ny-what-reproductive-health-act-does-and-doesnt-do/2743142002/

I am missing the provision of 'slaughtering that child on its way out of the birth canal'...

Does that link really refute the claims being made? If you read to the end, it says that "health of the mother" is an acceptable reason all the way up to birth, but I seem to recall that the "mental well-being" of the mother was one of the claimed exceptions, which of course could mean just about anything. Am I missing something?

[frank ryan]

if true evil exists in this world, it exists in cases of discretionary abortion for convenience and unwanted pregnancy. sickening.

I understand your sentiment but it’s a bit much.

[Northwestcoug]

Does that link really refute the claims being made? If you read to the end, it says that "health of the mother" is an acceptable reason all the way up to birth, but I seem to recall that the "mental well-being" of the mother was one of the claimed exceptions, which of course could mean just about anything. Am I missing something?

I'm not sure about the specifics. I was mostly reacting against GM's inflammatory language. No one is going to 'slaughter' a baby right before birth because of mental health issues.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Does that link really refute the claims being made? If you read to the end, it says that "health of the mother" is an acceptable reason all the way up to birth, but I seem to recall that the "mental well-being" of the mother was one of the claimed exceptions, which of course could mean just about anything. Am I missing something?

How about we read the text of the law. Yes, health of the mother could be interpreted broadly, but it is still a limitation and it is inconsistent with the GM's over the top claims and inconsistent with any claims that there is abortion without limitation to term. Mental well being is not an exception it is "life or health."

§ 2599-aa. Abortion. 1. A health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized under title eight of the education law, acting within his or her lawful scope of practice, may perform an abortion when, according to the practitioner's reasonable and good faith professional judgment based on the facts of the patient's case: the patient is within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient's life or health.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I'm not sure about the specifics. I was mostly reacting against GM's inflammatory language. No one is going to 'slaughter' a baby right before birth because of mental health issues.

For as much as the Dude complains about hyperbole and lack of civility, I am surprised he just let that one slide.

[Jeff Lebowski]

How about we read the text of the law. Yes, health of the mother could be interpreted broadly, but it is still a limitation and it is inconsistent with the GM's over the top claims and inconsistent with any claims that there is abortion without limitation to term. Mental well being is not an exception it is "life or health."

Funk, you should read the article again.

Another Supreme Court decision, Doe v. Bolton, says "health" refers to "all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age — relevant to the well-being of the patient" when it comes to an abortion.

This has been confirmed by advocates of the new law.

[Jeff Lebowski]

For as much as the Dude complains about hyperbole and lack of civility, I am surprised he just let that one slide.

Ha. So now I am a hypocrite if I don't respond to each and every post? That's funny.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Missouri just banned abortions after 8 weeks.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Funk, you should read the article again.



This has been confirmed by advocates of the new law.

It is a factor that is considered in assessing "health." It is just a factor that the medical provider uses in making his or her assessment of the mother's health. What is inaccurate to say is that it is abortion on demand throughout pregnancy. Life and health are the factors that much be assessed by the medical provider and that providers judgment must come to a determination that life or health is in danger.

Ha. So now I am a hypocrite if I don't respond to each and every post? That's funny.

I didn't call you a hypocrite, I said I was surprised you let such inflammatory and inaccurate language in this discussion slide.

[old_gregg]

Not sure if this is typical sarcastic OG or not...

I understand your sentiment but it’s a bit much.

sincere take bros

[Northwestcoug]

sincere take bros

I think I get where you're coming from, but how many abortions are not 'discretionary', 'convenience', or for 'unwanted pregnancy'? You might want hone down your argument to something more specific.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think I get where you're coming from, but how many abortions are not 'discretionary', 'convenience', or for 'unwanted pregnancy'? You might want hone down your argument to something more specific.

[Northwestcoug]

You're making my point for me (I think). I assumed that OG is talking against abortion as a primary birth control strategy, or something like that. Maybe he isn't.

Just FTR, I believe a lot of those non-rape/incest reasons are completely valid for the women who make them.

[old_gregg]

You're making my point for me (I think). I assumed that OG is talking against abortion as a primary birth control strategy, or something like that. Maybe he isn't.

Just FTR, I believe a lot of those non-rape/incest reasons are completely valid for the women who make them.

i’m saying that abortion for any of the reasons on lines 1-6 of that chart are incomprehensibly evil

[Northwestcoug]

i’m saying that abortion for any of the reasons on lines 1-6 of that chart are incomprehensibly evil

Got it.