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  • "The power of government to do good things...."

    One of the things from my upbringing that seems to have tatooed itself in my values is extreme skepticism about the ability of government to do good things, or, maybe more accurately, to do them well (I say sketicism, not outright opposition to government involvement in all situations). Whenever I hear someone express that faith (which is what it is, pure and simple) my hackles rise.

    For example, when road construction detains me, I have always assumed (until proven otherwise) that this is about something other than needed improvements to infrastructure -- pork barrel politics, keynsian economics, political vendettas, whatever -- and even if about the ostensible purpose, it is not being done as efficientily and as well as if private enterprise were doing it. For example, on Mercer in front of the Opera House here in Seattle three of four lanes are closed, and have been for a month, so construction workers can store their junk and tools, and a honey bucket, while commuters who pay them for this work are funneled into a single occluded lane. Crap strung around absent order or efficiency like in my daughter's bedroom on a Sunday night of a rainy weekend. I just don't believe that if they regarded us as clients they would treat us this way.

    The work on Mercer has been going on for over ten years. When my youngest boy, now ten, was a baby he and I saw a car roll over right in front of us because of construction debris. Mercer is our La Sagrada Familia.
    Last edited by SeattleUte; 03-04-2014, 11:09 AM.
    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

    --Jonathan Swift

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    Curmudgeon
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    • #3
      Fucking up your commute ten years running.
      So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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      • #4
        I'm not sure of the question here but my answer is no.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
          One of the things from my upbringing that seems to have tatooed itself in my values is extreme skepticism about the ability of government to do good things, or, maybe more accurately, to do them well (I say sketicism, not outright opposition to government involvement in all situations). Whenever I hear someone express that faith (which is what it is, pure and simple) my hackles rise.

          For example, when road construction detains me, I have always assumed (until proven otherwise) that this is about something other than needed improvements to infrastructure -- pork barrel politics, keynsian economics, political vendettas, whatever -- and even if about the ostensible purpose, it is not being done as efficientily and as well as if private enterprise were doing it. For example, on Mercer in front of the Opera House here in Seattle three of four lanes are closed, and have been for a month, so construction workers can store their junk and tools, and a honey bucket, while commuters who pay them for this work are funneled into a single occluded lane. Crap strung around absent order or efficiency like in my daughter's bedroom on a Sunday night of a rainy weekend. I just don't believe that if they regarded us as clients they would treat us this way.

          The work on Mercer has been going on for over ten years. When my youngest boy, now ten, was a baby he and I saw a car roll over right in front of us because of construction debris. Mercer is our La Sagrada Familia.

          I have lived a long life. Forever I have driven along a freeway telling me there is work ahead and file into one lane. I drive along 50 may as few as 5 and as many as 50 miles in the single lane seeing a group of people working on a tenth mileage closed and another group standing or sitting in the same tenth of a mile.

          However, look at it this way. Let's say there is 1 million in inefficiecies on that lane closed down. That is only .25 per person in America. Heck, 100 million in wasteful spending is only $25 bucks a person. Besides the frustration, it is no biggie if you have plenty of people to tax or have borrowing power. Waste then is not an issue.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by byu71 View Post
            I have lived a long life. Forever I have driven along a freeway telling me there is work ahead and file into one lane. I drive along 50 may as few as 5 and as many as 50 miles in the single lane seeing a group of people working on a tenth mileage closed and another group standing or sitting in the same tenth of a mile.

            However, look at it this way. Let's say there is 1 million in inefficiecies on that lane closed down. That is only .25 per person in America. Heck, 100 million in wasteful spending is only $25 bucks a person. Besides the frustration, it is no biggie if you have plenty of people to tax or have borrowing power. Waste then is not an issue.
            I think your math skills need a tune up.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by imanihonjin View Post
              I think your math skills need a tune up.
              Really? Quite possibly it is my eye sight due to old age. 2.5 cents looks like 25 cents. Then it might be my knowledge of the population of America? I might think it is 400 million instead of 315 million.

              It is also possible that sometimes I mess it up just so someone can make a smart ass comment and feel good about themselves. That is a lot cooler than just correcting the person who screwed up.

              P.S. It was a good shot. Well done.

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              • #8
                1 Million divided by 315 million (taking your number) comes out to be about 1/3 of one cent. 100 Million divided by 315 million come out to be about 32 cents. Thanks for helping me feel better about myself.....you are a good dude.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by imanihonjin View Post
                  1 Million divided by 315 million (taking your number) comes out to be about 1/3 of one cent. 100 Million divided by 315 million come out to be about 32 cents. Thanks for helping me feel better about myself.....you are a good dude.
                  I think I had a really good point. The sloppy math for whatever reason really mess it up.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                    I think I had a really good point. The sloppy math for whatever reason really mess it up.
                    Your point is even better made when the math is done right....I am trying to help you out so that your genius can really shine through.

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                    • #11
                      The government is here to help... Well, I am sure they had good intentions anyway.

                      The EPA Accidentally Turned This River Toxic—And Orange

                      SINCE WEDNESDAY MORNING, a ribbon of bright orange water has been making its way down the Animas River southwest of Denver, Colorado. The cause? A million gallons of gunk pouring out of an abandoned century-old mine. The Environmental Protection Agency is already on the scene, though. Because, well, they caused it. Yeah, oops.


                      It’s a classic case of good intentions backfiring. The abandoned mines in the area have long been a problem, filling up with acidic wastewater that leaches heavy metals out of rock and leaks into the river—a slow-motion environmental debacle. And the EPA has been trying to designate the mines a Superfund site for years, only to come up against local resistance. The mines still aren’t on the Superfund list, but the EPA has been trying to them clean up anyway. That’s why a crew was digging around the Gold King Mine—they starting to investigate leaks when the mine’s plug blew, turning the slow-motion problem into a fast-moving, highly visible advertisement for fixing the problem. “It’s hard being on the other side of this,” said Dave Ostrander, the regional EPA director of emergency preparedness, at a public meeting on Friday afternoon. “We typically respond to emergencies; we don’t cause them.”
                      [...]
                      http://www.wired.com/2015/08/epa-acc...xicand-orange/

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                      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
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                      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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