Crossfire is Returning

[Sleeping in EQ]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/26/crossfire-coming-back-to-cnn/?hpt=hp_t2

[Donuthole]

Sweet. I loved that game as a kid.

[clackamascoug]

By crossfire do you mean that gay men are on one side of us, and gay women are on the other side of us, and they're going to use their combined political clout so that nobody can get married anymore?

[statman]

By crossfire do you mean that gay men are on one side of us, and gay women are on the other side of us, and they're going to use their combined political clout so that nobody can get married anymore?

I don't think the day is too far off when the LDS Church (and many other churches) stops having anything to do with "marriage." Marriage really is the last bastion where the line between church and state is very very blurry. As someone posted on the Prop 8 ruling thread - is the day too far off when the IRS withholds tax exempt status from any church that marries hetero couples but not gay couples? They'll have a lot harder time telling the LDS Church that performing sealings for only hetero couples is improper.

I really think the days of "temple marriage" are quickly waning. It's soon going to be "courthouse marriage" and a trip to the temple to be sealed.

I'm not sure why this just popped into my head, but it did - when my parents got married, they were living in Schenectady, NY where my dad worked at GE. At that time, the nearest temple was in SLC. Many couples in their situation got married civilly, and then made their way out to Utah after a year to be sealed, but others, like them, decided that temple marriage was important enough that they do it right from the beginning. To do so, they had to make an interesting choice - at the time, airline travel was very cost-prohibitive. To drive across the country as an unmarried couple was still generally considered risque. Many on such wedding trips had a friend accompany them as a chaperone, but my parents wedding in late October made in very inconvenient for any of their friends to go with them - so off they went. They stopped three nights - my mom slept in the motel, my dad slept in the car. But it was still a semi-uncomfortable situation that people didn't really like to talk about. Kind of funny by today's standards, but still...

[Portland Ute]

I really think the days of "temple marriage" are quickly waning. It's soon going to be "courthouse marriage" and a trip to the temple to be sealed.

I'm sure you are aware, but this is the way it is done in many places outside of the U.S.

And it works.

One HUGE advantage is that the bride and groom get to invite ALL of their friends and families to the wedding ceremony. Nobody gets left out. No hard feelings.

It's actually a much better way of doing things, IMO. It avoids a LOT of the bad aspects of partial member family/LDS temple weddings. I've hoped for years the Church would move in this direction, completely independent of what was going on with gay marriage, etc.

[CardiacCoug]

By crossfire do you mean that gay men are on one side of us, and gay women are on the other side of us, and they're going to use their combined political clout so that nobody can get married anymore?

[scottie]

I'm sure you are aware, but this is the way it is done in many places outside of the U.S.

And it works.

One HUGE advantage is that the bride and groom get to invite ALL of their friends and families to the wedding ceremony. Nobody gets left out. No hard feelings.

It's actually a much better way of doing things, IMO. It avoids a LOT of the bad aspects of partial member family/LDS temple weddings. I've hoped for years the Church would move in this direction, completely independent of what was going on with gay marriage, etc.

If a couple wished to do just that in say Utah, could they? If not, any idea what doctrine is being used as a reference?

[clackamascoug]

I don't think the day is too far off when the LDS Church (and many other churches) stops having anything to do with "marriage." Marriage really is the last bastion where the line between church and state is very very blurry. As someone posted on the Prop 8 ruling thread - is the day too far off when the IRS withholds tax exempt status from any church that marries hetero couples but not gay couples? They'll have a lot harder time telling the LDS Church that performing sealings for only hetero couples is improper.

I really think the days of "temple marriage" are quickly waning. It's soon going to be "courthouse marriage" and a trip to the temple to be sealed.

I'm not sure why this just popped into my head, but it did - when my parents got married, they were living in Schenectady, NY where my dad worked at GE. At that time, the nearest temple was in SLC. Many couples in their situation got married civilly, and then made their way out to Utah after a year to be sealed, but others, like them, decided that temple marriage was important enough that they do it right from the beginning. To do so, they had to make an interesting choice - at the time, airline travel was very cost-prohibitive. To drive across the country as an unmarried couple was still generally considered risque. Many on such wedding trips had a friend accompany them as a chaperone, but my parents wedding in late October made in very inconvenient for any of their friends to go with them - so off they went. They stopped three nights - my mom slept in the motel, my dad slept in the car. But it was still a semi-uncomfortable situation that people didn't really like to talk about. Kind of funny by today's standards, but still...

My Grandfather served a mission in Michigan. When his mission concluded, he hopped a train with a young lady and they went to SLC where they were married in the temple. They caught another train and came to Oregon. My Dad was born 9 months and 1 day later. Simpler Times.

[MarkGrace]

Went to a taping of this when I interned in DC. It was a lot of fun.

[CardiacCoug]

Went to a taping of this when I interned in DC. It was a lot of fun.

Yeah I used to love Crossfire on CNN as a kid. Obviously that was before internet and video games, etc.

[calicoug]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...cnn/?hpt=hp_t2

All that comes to mind is a Monty Python phrase "And there was much rejoicing. Yay." I feel about that same level of enthusiasm.

Hated Crossfire.

[Portland Ute]

If a couple wished to do just that in say Utah, could they? If not, any idea what doctrine is being used as a reference?

From what I have seen, should a couple choose to be married outside the temple, they will then have to wait one year to be sealed. So that is what prevents most couples from doing it.

Also, doing it in reverse (i.e. get sealed and then have a "traditional" wedding after) has been strongly discouraged. IIRC, there have been letters from the first presidency, etc.

[Sleeping in EQ]

I don't think the day is too far off when the LDS Church (and many other churches) stops having anything to do with "marriage." Marriage really is the last bastion where the line between church and state is very very blurry. As someone posted on the Prop 8 ruling thread - is the day too far off when the IRS withholds tax exempt status from any church that marries hetero couples but not gay couples? They'll have a lot harder time telling the LDS Church that performing sealings for only hetero couples is improper.

I really think the days of "temple marriage" are quickly waning. It's soon going to be "courthouse marriage" and a trip to the temple to be sealed.

Agreed. I've held this view for years, and am glad you summed it up so succinctly.

[YOhio]

I think they assembled a pretty good team. SE Cupp is a good face and voice for the right and Newt is always fun to watch. I can't stand the two lefties, but that probably just means they're pretty good at their job. I wonder how much traction the show will get.

[grapevine]

Who heard the story that Heber J Grant was told to have SP marry him then get sealed later. He wanted to do it right first time so went by train to Provo than Buggy to St George and wife died before completion of Salt Lake Temple. I guess Endowment House was not open for some reason.