Ban on women in combat to be lifted

[LA Ute]

Personal reflection: When contemplating my sons being drafted, I can brace myself and be proud that they would serve. The thought of my daughter being drafted, however, is repellent to me. Deep-seated attitudes, I guess.

[YOhio]

Dude, saying Pamela Anderson Lee Kid Rock Lee has bodacious ta-tas is not stating an opinion!

But it does make you sound like the wacky surfer guy from an 80's teen flick.

[Paperback Writer]

Personal reflection: When contemplating my sons being drafted, I can brace myself and be proud that they would serve. The thought of my daughter being drafted, however, is repellent to me. Deep-seated attitudes, I guess.

I question how much the personality or physical traits of a daughter factor into one's reflection and attitude. After three boys, I finally got the daughter that I had always wanted. I expected her to be "sugar and spice", frilly, like my sisters. At times I see that side of her but more often I see a competitive athlete who can beat her older teenage brothers in a foot race and compete with them in basketball and surpass them in baseball.

But I also understand that she is not the norm; especially, in her Beehive class. the thought of her serving in the military in not repellent to me as I think she would be successful. Nevertheless, I have no illusions of her graduating from Ranger School. I trust the military would not put her (or any soldier) in an assignment that they cannot physically manage. Thus my support for strict standards for combat and other positions where it is necessary.

I haven't seen this brought up yet. I'd be fine with my daughter piloting a Blackhawk in combat situations should she possess the skill to do so. What I'm not OK with is the thought of her Blackhawk going down in the streets of Mogadishu and what an ememy might do to a female POW. It's hard enough thinking of a son in captivity, but a daughter? I suppose I just draw the line further out than others. But I think the disposition and personality of the person does factor in. The thought of one of my sisters piloting a Blackhawk is amusing.

[Joe Public]

We aim to have what some would call a modern, civilized society here in the U.S. However, those who go to war have to, in many ways, set that aside and revert to a somewhat animalistic side of humanity in order to bring themselves to seek out and kill another human. Is it realistic to expect soldiers to be able to compartmentalize that in a combat zone? Can all soldiers turn off/continue to control the hard-wired desire to mate, so to speak, or is it too much to expect that under the stresses of war?

I don't know the answer to that. Some of the PTSD documentaries I've seen make it seem like it's really hard to turn some of that stuff off.

EDIT: From GN's post, I assume this isn't what will actually happen (side-by-side battlefront duty) based on the current changes.

[wally]

Here is another man on the GN and DD support group!!

One of my friends that I work with occasionally is a vietnam vet. He was a door gunner on a huey. He reminds me of DD in many ways. I think that to train a man to snuff out human life, while risking his own in the process so that we can sit in the comfort he provides us, debating how or who he ought to be doing this alongside is a pretty arrogant thing.

I think that this whole discussion can be extrapolated to so many other situations, and I think that it speaks to the level of comfort we have attained in our society.

We don't do our own dirty work anymore in our culture. Literally, we take our garbage to the curb, or flush our shit down the toilet and it all magically goes away. Then we turn around and call the city when the landfill or the sewer plant stinks, and demand that something be done about it! Take this and apply it to all of our modern conveniences.

Let them eat cake!

[Goatnapper'96]

Here is another man on the GN and DD support group!!

One of my friends that I work with occasionally is a vietnam vet. He was a door gunner on a huey. He reminds me of DD in many ways. I think that to train a man to snuff out human life, while risking his own in the process so that we can sit in the comfort he provides us, debating how or who he ought to be doing this alongside is a pretty arrogant thing.

I think that this whole discussion can be extrapolated to so many other situations, and I think that it speaks to the level of comfort we have attained in our society.

We don't do our own dirty work anymore in our culture. Literally, we take our garbage to the curb, or flush our shit down the toilet and it all magically goes away. Then we turn around and call the city when the landfill or the sewer plant stinks, and demand that something be done about it! Take this and apply it to all of our modern conveniences.

Let them eat cake!

Go Utes!

[Uncle Ted]

I think that this whole discussion can be extrapolated to so many other situations, and I think that it speaks to the level of comfort we have attained in our society.

We don't do our own dirty work anymore in our culture. Literally, we take our garbage to the curb, or flush our shit down the toilet and it all magically goes away. Then we turn around and call the city when the landfill or the sewer plant stinks, and demand that something be done about it! Take this and apply it to all of our modern conveniences.

Let them eat cake!

And we do a lot of our combat from 7000+ miles away:




I was thinking that we we already had women engage in this new age of combat:

[LA Ute]

I question how much the personality or physical traits of a daughter factor into one's reflection and attitude. After three boys, I finally got the daughter that I had always wanted. I expected her to be "sugar and spice", frilly, like my sisters. At times I see that side of her but more often I see a competitive athlete who can beat her older teenage brothers in a foot race and compete with them in basketball and surpass them in baseball.

But I also understand that she is not the norm; especially, in her Beehive class. the thought of her serving in the military in not repellent to me as I think she would be successful. Nevertheless, I have no illusions of her graduating from Ranger School. I trust the military would not put her (or any soldier) in an assignment that they cannot physically manage. Thus my support for strict standards for combat and other positions where it is necessary.

I haven't seen this brought up yet. I'd be fine with my daughter piloting a Blackhawk in combat situations should she possess the skill to do so. What I'm not OK with is the thought of her Blackhawk going down in the streets of Mogadishu and what an ememy might do to a female POW. It's hard enough thinking of a son in captivity, but a daughter? I suppose I just draw the line further out than others. But I think the disposition and personality of the person does factor in. The thought of one of my sisters piloting a Blackhawk is amusing.

Well, my daughter wants to be an FBI agent. That gives me pause, but her being in the military gives me even more pause. Some of the reasons are the ones you stated.

[Moliere]

Personal reflection: When contemplating my sons being drafted, I can brace myself and be proud that they would serve. The thought of my daughter being drafted, however, is repellent to me. Deep-seated attitudes, I guess.

This is the exact attitude that has to change. No offense LAUte.

[Paperback Writer]

This is the exact attitude that has to change. No offense LAUte.

Be honest. Will you be able to stomach your daughter being tortured as a captive/POW? My daughter may be a better soldier than some of her brothers. For some reason, I'd be able to stomach my sons being tortured in captivity but not my daughter. It could be that my attitude needs to change as well...

[LA Ute]

This is the exact attitude that has to change. No offense LAUte.

You may be right. I am still thinking about it. Don't you have protective impulses about your wife and daughter that you might not have about other men or your boys? Not that we don't feel protective impulses about our sons, but it's just different with daughters. Maybe men are just wired that way. Maybe it's cultural. Maybe it's both. I don't know.

[YOhio]

You may be right. I am still thinking about it. Don't you have protective impulses about your wife and daughter that you might not have about other men or your boys? Not that we don't feel protective impulses about our sons, but it's just different with daughters. Maybe men are just wired that way. Maybe it's cultural. Maybe it's both. I don't know.

He's not right. Moliere is just overcompensating for being in a church that's sexist by most standards and yet his wife won't let him watch tv on Sunday. It can make a mess out of a man.

[smokymountainrain]

This is the exact attitude that has to change. No offense LAUte.

Do you think the chances of your daughter being raped if she's serving as opposed to just living a normal civilian life are higher, lower or about the same?

That is simply not an environment I want my daughter to be a part of.

[Colly Wolly]

He's not right. Moliere is just overcompensating for being in a church that's sexist by most standards and yet his wife won't let him watch tv on Sunday. It can make a mess out of a man.

LOL.

[LA Ute]

Do you think the chances of your daughter being raped if she's serving as opposed to just living a normal civilian life are higher, lower or about the same?

That is simply not an environment I want my daughter to be a part of.

I wasn't thinking about that, but now that you mention it, you have an excellent point.