The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[BlueK]

LOL, I wish I knew how to bring up the rolling in the aisles moticon (I think that is what they are called)

If you are being serious and educated is someone who made it beyond the 4th grade, thanks for the answer.

it was as serious and honest as was your question.

[beefytee]

I hear "the educated" a lot. Could someone give me a definition of "educated"?

I'm sure literacy plays into it some how.

[byu71]

it was as serious and honest as was your question.

My original post was serious. I do hear educated all the time. What does that mean?

I apologize for responding with a dumb response to your dumb response.

[I.J. Reilly]

Do you believe Harry Reid has a real source? I don't.

Don't know whether Harry has a source or not (and his hit job on Mitt's taxes last cycle make his sources dubious) but the drip to every news outlet that has someone who will listen on anything and everything related to Clinton or Trump, even if contradictory, is embarrassing. Contrast that with the DOJ attorneys who, I assume, have access to more or less the same information regarding the Clinton and Trump related investigations. It's appalling and unseemly what's going on at the FBI right now.

Yeah, could you imagined if Comey didn't write that letter to congress and it was leaked out that he was sitting on all those lost clinton emails? There would be an yuge sh*tstorm eruption among all those elderly, stupid, uneducated Drumpf supporters of the likes we have never seen! It wouldn't be pretty.

Jim put himself in a bad spot speaking out in the first place. He could have just as easily stuck with DOJ policy and practice regarding comments on investigations and prevented this from ever becoming an issue. Uncharacteristically bad judgment from him.

[Jeff Lebowski]

My original post was serious. I do hear educated all the time. What does that mean?

I apologize for responding with a dumb response to your dumb response.

It typically means someone who has attended school and gained a reasonable level of education. For example, it likely wouldn't apply to a high school dropout, even though that person has obtained a minimal level of education. Typically is assumed to mean at least some level of post-high school education, but it can also implicitly reference an attitude of lifelong learning where someone is continually reading, books, etc. to expand one's level of knowledge and understanding. For example, an educated person most likely would not need to ask an internet message board to define the word "educated".

I hope this helps.

[Uncle Ted]

Jim put himself in a bad spot speaking out in the first place. He could have just as easily stuck with DOJ policy and practice regarding comments on investigations and prevented this from ever becoming an issue. Uncharacteristically bad judgment from him.

I wonder if he really did go against the DOJ policy given he didn't make a public statement... he informed congress that he might need to supplement the record in light to the recent discovery. Some congressmen (cough, cough,.. chaffetz) took upon himself to put it on twitter ASAP. While Loretta Lynch didn't agree with the action she didn't exactly try to stop Comey either. So if it was against the DOJ policy then Lynch should have explicitly said no.

U.S. attorney general did not order FBI to withhold Clinton-related emails: source
[...]
As Comey and Lynch aides debated last Thursday whether alerting Congress about the emails would comply with longstanding Justice Department policy against announcing overt investigative steps that would influence an upcoming election, Comey asked whether he was being explicitly directed not to do so.


Lynch never gave Comey the order not to send the emails, a senior government official said.
[...]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN12V2D2

[byu71]

Jim put himself in a bad spot speaking out in the first place. He could have just as easily stuck with DOJ policy and practice regarding comments on investigations and prevented this from ever becoming an issue. Uncharacteristically bad judgment from him.

Are you talking about the time he said no charges or this last time?

It is confusing for someone who really wants a non partisan who is considered knowledgeable to give an opinion. They don't seem to exist.

Hillary supporters and the never Trumps seem to agree with you. Trump supporters seem to disagree.

Of course you can't look to the media for a non-partisan view.

[myboynoah]

It typically means someone who has attended school and gained a reasonable level of education. For example, it likely wouldn't apply to a high school dropout, even though that person has obtained a minimal level of education. Typically is assumed to mean at least some level of post-high school education, but it can also implicitly reference an attitude of lifelong learning where someone is continually reading, books, etc. to expand one's level of knowledge and understanding. For example, an educated person most likely would not need to ask an internet message board to define the word "educated".

I hope this helps.

That's good. You could be a pretty good dictionary writer.

[byu71]

It typically means someone who has attended school and gained a reasonable level of education. For example, it likely wouldn't apply to a high school dropout, even though that person has obtained a minimal level of education. Typically is assumed to mean at least some level of post-high school education, but it can also implicitly reference an attitude of lifelong learning where someone is continually reading, books, etc. to expand one's level of knowledge and understanding. For example, an educated person most likely would not need to ask an internet message board to define the word "educated".

I hope this helps.

It helps a lot. It is nice to know the definition is so broad it can be used in just about any situation.

I would also assume an educated person most likely would not tell you and your condescending elitist attitude to go f yourself.

[Moliere]

Don't know whether Harry has a source or not (and his hit job on Mitt's taxes last cycle make his sources dubious) but the drip to every news outlet that has someone who will listen on anything and everything related to Clinton or Trump, even if contradictory, is embarrassing. Contrast that with the DOJ attorneys who, I assume, have access to more or less the same information regarding the Clinton and Trump related investigations. It's appalling and unseemly what's going on at the FBI right now.



Jim put himself in a bad spot speaking out in the first place. He could have just as easily stuck with DOJ policy and practice regarding comments on investigations and prevented this from ever becoming an issue. Uncharacteristically bad judgment from him.

Not that I'm defending Comey, but the investigation into Clinton was closed and done. Doesn't he therefore need to go through some certain measures to reopen the case? It's not like he can just start investigating Clinton on his own without informing anyone, or maybe he can, but that would be really bad to find out he had reopened the case 11 days before the election and didn't bother to say anything to anyone.

The guy was in a tight spot and it seems he made the less bad choice. I can only believe he wants this all to go away just like the rest of us.


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[BlueK]

It helps a lot. It is nice to know the definition is so broad it can be used in just about any situation.

I would also assume an educated person most likely would not tell you and your condescending elitist attitude to go f yourself.

why did you need to ask the question? You really didn't know what that term is normally understood to mean?

[byu71]

why did you need to ask the question? You really didn't know what that term is normally understood to mean?

Read JL's response, "typically means" and "typically assume". Read JL's response. So anyone who claims Trump appeals to the uneducated is throwing out a catch all. I would think any educated person would typically assume my question in a thread about the election concerns how "uneducated" is defined as it relates to Trump supporters.

Look you are an avid Trump hater. Fine, you have your reasons. If you want to give me crap since I don't hate him as much you do and dislike both about as equally that is fine. However, don't get so butt hurt if you get push back.

[I.J. Reilly]

I wonder if he really did go against the DOJ policy given he didn't make a public statement... he informed congress that he might need to supplement the record in light to the recent discovery. Some congressmen (cough, cough,.. chaffetz) took upon himself to put it on twitter ASAP. While Loretta Lynch didn't agree with the action she didn't exactly try to stop Comey either. So if it was against the DOJ policy then Lynch should have explicitly said no.

It was against both tradition and explicitly written policy. Now, policy is not law and he is not going to be put in jail for what he did (I don't think anyone is advocating such) but his choices made him less effective at his job. Regarding Lynch ordering him not to, Lynch is technically his boss but cannot fire Comey. In fact, not even Obama could fire Comey outside of some very limited circumstances. Lynch can advise him, which it appears she did, but to issue an order would have put her in a bad spot. Better to let him hoist himself and not blow up with him.

Are you talking about the time he said no charges or this last time?

It is confusing for someone who really wants a non partisan who is considered knowledgeable to give an opinion. They don't seem to exist.

Hillary supporters and the never Trumps seem to agree with you. Trump supporters seem to disagree.

Of course you can't look to the media for a non-partisan view.

The very first time. He should have gone the normal route and refused comment or at most made a very minimal statement about the status of an investigation.

Not that I'm defending Comey, but the investigation into Clinton was closed and done. Doesn't he therefore need to go through some certain measures to reopen the case? It's not like he can just start investigating Clinton on his own without informing anyone, or maybe he can, but that would be really bad to find out he had reopened the case 11 days before the election and didn't bother to say anything to anyone.

The guy was in a tight spot and it seems he made the less bad choice. I can only believe he wants this all to go away just like the rest of us.


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He was/is in a tight spot of his own making. The statement that he made was not his only option and it could have been handled much better. He also was screwed by some lower level people who decided to take their time informing him. If I were him, I'd be cleaning house and making some immediate reassignments.

[Uncle Ted]

It was against both tradition and explicitly written policy. Now, policy is not law and he is not going to be put in jail for what he did (I don't think anyone is advocating such) but his choices made him less effective at his job. Regarding Lynch ordering him not to, Lynch is technically his boss but cannot fire Comey. In fact, not even Obama could fire Comey outside of some very limited circumstances. Lynch can advise him, which it appears she did, but to issue an order would have put her in a bad spot. Better to let him hoist himself and not blow up with him.

I think Lynch didn't want to say "no" explicitly because she didn't want her ass on the line when it was leaked that the FBI/DoJ was sitting on new clinton emails. If that happened Comey wanted a signed memo from his boss stating that it was her that said not to tell congress.

[SCcoug]

The truth is this is a situation of Clinton's own making along with an electorate willingly nominating a candidate under multiple FBI investigations. The primary electorate on both sides did a lousy job this cycle. What a train wreck.