The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[CardiacCoug]

Uh yeah Trump is a lunatic. Good hell WTF is wrong with people who think he would be a good President.

The fear-mongering to try to scare stupid people into voting for him is so creepy -- cherry picking crime stats in certain cities to make it seem that crime is getting worse, etc. The way he conflates immigration, Muslim refugees, and crime is so incoherent.

[SCcoug]

Uh yeah Trump is a lunatic. Good hell WTF is wrong with people who think he would be a good President.

The fear-mongering to try to scare stupid people into voting for him is so creepy -- cherry picking crime stats in certain cities to make it seem that crime is getting worse, etc. The way he conflates immigration, Muslim refugees, and crime is so incoherent.

And those were prepared remarks. Read the NYT transcript from this week. He sounds like a student trying to BS his way through an oral exam after never going to class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us...interview.html

[Dwight Schr-ute]

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[BlueK]

Watching a few video clips of Trump tonight, his mannerisms (right arm constantly flailing for emphasis, the cadence of his words, his smug underbite and pursed lips, etc.) reminded me of somebody else.

The Mussolini attributes are intentional by Trump. He admires dictators because they're "strong" and is using fascist techniques because he thinks they can get him political power. He used to study a book of Hitler's speeches according to one of his ex-wives. He's the scariest American presidential candidate ever.

[BlueK]

And those were prepared remarks. Read the NYT transcript from this week. He sounds like a student trying to BS his way through an oral exam after never going to class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us...interview.html

I don't know, but this strong endorsement by Duke may help sill the dill for BYU71. ;-)

Kidding. I do hope it helps push him off the bandwagon. Trump is such a nut. Still, his thanks to the evangelicals was touching, wasn't it? Nice to see them so eager to sell their souls for him.

And that reminds me of Mitt Romney and how nicely the evangelicals treated him. Speaking of Mitt, he was recently quoted in an article saying how he is thinking about voting for Johnson/Weld. He is really good friends with Bill Weld and has a lot of respect for him, according to the article. I'll say it now, Mitt needs to go all the way and publicly endorse. Then he should hit the campaign trail with them in Utah and a few states where he still has some influence. His political career as a national republican is done anyway, so he should do the right thing and support the ticket that deserves his respect.

[Uncle Ted]

I don't know, but this strong endorsement by Duke may help sill the dill for BYU71. ;-)

Kidding. I do hope it helps push him off the bandwagon. Trump is such a nut. Still, his thanks to the evangelicals was touching, wasn't it? Nice to see them so eager to sell their souls for him.

And that reminds me of Mitt Romney and how nicely the evangelicals treated him. Speaking of Mitt, he was recently quoted in an article saying how he is thinking about voting for Johnson/Weld. He is really good friends with Bill Weld and has a lot of respect for him, according to the article. I'll say it now, Mitt needs to go all the way and publicly endorse. Then he should hit the campaign trail with them in Utah and a few states where he still has some influence. His political career as a national republican is done anyway, so he should do the right thing and support the ticket that deserves his respect.

“I wish Bill Weld were at the top, because I knew Bill Weld as the governor of my state, Massachusetts, and he was a terrific governor,” Romney told CBS News’s John Dickerson in an interview Wednesday at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado.


“I think he would be a great president,” he said of the Libertarian Party’s vice presidential nominee.


Romney—who said Wednesday he would either vote for a third-party candidate or write in his wife’s name in November

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...rtarian-ticket

Write in Ann?

It seems Jeb Bush is getting on the Libertarian train as well. Welcome aboard folks!

[byu71]

I don't know, but this strong endorsement by Duke may help sill the dill for BYU71. ;-)

Kidding. I do hope it helps push him off the bandwagon. Trump is such a nut. Still, his thanks to the evangelicals was touching, wasn't it? Nice to see them so eager to sell their souls for him.

And that reminds me of Mitt Romney and how nicely the evangelicals treated him. Speaking of Mitt, he was recently quoted in an article saying how he is thinking about voting for Johnson/Weld. He is really good friends with Bill Weld and has a lot of respect for him, according to the article. I'll say it now, Mitt needs to go all the way and publicly endorse. Then he should hit the campaign trail with them in Utah and a few states where he still has some influence. His political career as a national republican is done anyway, so he should do the right thing and support the ticket that deserves his respect.

I didn't like the talk I like even less you calling me a racist

[YOhio]

This family makes the Clintons look discrete.

https://twitter.com/ivankatrump/stat...92146484580352

[BlueK]

I didn't like the talk I like even less you calling me a racist

I never called you a racist. I know you are not a racist. I thought I made it clear it was a joke with the smiley face and this: "Kidding. I do hope it helps push him off the bandwagon." I posted for the very reason I knew the Duke endorsement and the speech and the evangelical supporting Trump angle wouldn't have gone over well with you or helped you want to vote for Trump. Sorry. No hard feelings I hope.

[byu71]

I never called you a racist. I know you are not a racist. I thought I made it clear it was a joke with the smiley face and this: "Kidding. I do hope it helps push him off the bandwagon." I posted for the very reason I knew the Duke endorsement and the speech and the evangelical supporting Trump angle wouldn't have gone over well with you or helped you want to vote for Trump. Sorry. No hard feelings I hope.

No hard feelings, but it is time for me to bow out of this political discussion it is getting too toxic for even me. I realize I haven't been mister cordial and pleasant personality.

Although I have truly not decided many of my good friends and some family members have. I'm here when people are called stupid idiots David Duke followers Etc because they support Trump I feel like I have to defend them because they're not stupid idiots racist

For sure no hard feelings but I think I just want to bow out of this particular thread now

[myboynoah]

This family makes the Clintons look discrete.

https://twitter.com/ivankatrump/stat...92146484580352

Good crud.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Great essay in the WP. HFN will try to pretend it is a joke, but it isn't.

"This phenomenon has arisen in other democratic and quasi-democratic countries over the past century, and it has generally been called “fascism.” Fascist movements, too, had no coherent ideology, no clear set of prescriptions for what ailed society. “National socialism” was a bundle of contradictions, united chiefly by what, and who, it opposed; fascism in Italy was anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, anti-capitalist and anti-clerical. Successful fascism was not about policies but about the strongman, the leader (Il Duce, Der Führer), in whom could be entrusted the fate of the nation. Whatever the problem, he could fix it. Whatever the threat, internal or external, he could vanquish it, and it was unnecessary for him to explain how. Today, there is Putinism, which also has nothing to do with belief or policy but is about the tough man who single-handedly defends his people against all threats, foreign and domestic.
To understand how such movements take over a democracy, one only has to watch the Republican Party today...."

"This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...3e7_story.html

[Topper]

Great essay in the WP. HFN will try to pretend it is a joke, but it isn't.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...3e7_story.html

I see the simplistic resemblances, but fascism is a function where the rule of law is not entrenched within a society. We have 240 years of the rule of law, unlike those countries which entertained fascism where they have very little experience with the rule of law. Germany had just exited Bismarck's Germany before a brief period of a democracy which saw nothing but poverty.

Fascism will not take hold with the consent of the left which is just as authoritarian as the right.

[BlueK]

I see the simplistic resemblances, but fascism is a function where the rule of law is not entrenched within a society. We have 240 years of the rule of law, unlike those countries which entertained fascism where they have very little experience with the rule of law. Germany had just exited Bismarck's Germany before a brief period of a democracy which saw nothing but poverty.

Fascism will not take hold with the consent of the left which is just as authoritarian as the right.

Trump will ignore every law in the books he doesn't like.

[myboynoah]

Great essay in the WP. HFN will try to pretend it is a joke, but it isn't.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...3e7_story.html

Oh brother. 1930s Germany and Italy and post Communist transition Russia are the examples. Please.