The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[venkman]

I'm sure you are all wondering , so I will say I'm a capitalist and I'm for free trade in theory. It's reality that gets in the way. I do think it's funny how there's this obsession around free trade and that enacting tariffs is screwing around with the invisible hand of the market, as if the market isn't fucked up as it is with burdensome taxation and crushing regulation. (not evenly applied, btw, if you have influence you can get around it with waivers, tailored deductions, and special waivers) Free trade to me is more than just the absence of tariffs. We had some sort of tariff system for most of our existence, we grew into the leading global economic powerhouse and leading innovator in the world with having tariffs in place. I'm not arguing for tariffs, but I am saying that they are not necessarily the boogeyman portrayed when reasonable. A no/low tariff policy hasn't led to robust economic growth over the last 10-15 years and that's because of our tax/regulatory environment.

Milton Friedman once said something to effect of you can't have open borders and a welfare state. I would use that same logic to say you can't have free trade and oppressive taxes/regulation.

I do hate free trade agreements in principle though because I see them as eroding our national sovereignty. I think we need the flexibility to protect our companies and workers from unfair trade practices. Trade policy should ALWAYS be in the hands of the people's representatives.

[venkman]

Assuming this lady's really giving the Hitler salute I'd say there's a good chance she's just some agent provocateur. We see this tactic all the time in the professional leftist agitator crowd.

[myboynoah]

Assuming this lady's really giving the Hitler salute I'd say there's a good chance she's just some agent provocateur. We see this tactic all the time in the professional leftist agitator crowd.

Yeah, I'd like to know the story behind that picture.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yeah, I'd like to know the story behind that picture.

I used my detective skills to determine it was from the Chicago Tribune. Then I went to Chicago Tribune website and clicked through the photos associated with the story about the cancelled rally and found the photo (# 6/56). Here is the caption:

Donald Trump supporter Birgitt Peterson, center, of Yorkville, argues with protesters March 11, 2016, outside the UIC Pavilion after the rally for the Republican presidential candidate was canceled.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Assuming this lady's really giving the Hitler salute I'd say there's a good chance she's just some agent provocateur. We see this tactic all the time in the professional leftist agitator crowd.

Yeah, there is no way a Trump supporter would do something dumb.

[pelagius]

I used my detective skills to determine it was from the Chicago Tribune. Then I went to Chicago Tribune website and clicked through the photos associated with the story about the cancelled rally and found the photo (# 6/56). Here is the caption:

Despite that reporting from the Tribune, it didn't stop the future Obergruppenführer (Donal Trump Jr) from trying to pin it on a Bernie Sanders supporter:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ump-rally.html

[Pelado]

Sarah Palin at it again.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/fur...-achievements/

This would be more funny if Drumpf were losing.

What percentage of her term as governor did she complete before she decided to cash in on the book and commentary deals?

Despite that reporting from the Tribune, it didn't stop the future Obergruppenführer (Donal Trump Jr) from trying to pin it on a Bernie Sanders supporter:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ump-rally.html

I feel a little bad for the other Drumpf kid - Eric. Seems he got more of his dad's genetics than his siblings did. Creeps me out a little when I see him behind Drumpf during those post-debate interviews.

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[frank ryan]

Assuming this lady's really giving the Hitler salute I'd say there's a good chance she's just some agent provocateur. We see this tactic all the time in the professional leftist agitator crowd.

She looks genuine to me. Have any example of leftist agitators giving the Nazi salute?

[pelagius]

She looks genuine to me. Have any example of leftist agitators giving the Nazi salute?

Here is a good article about her. She's a republican; this is not a left-wing "agitator". She claims she did it to protest the protesters that were comparing Trump to Hitler (so at best she's is not very bright ... ). On the other hand her is how the guy standing by her explained what happened:

Social media on Saturday was inundated with people sharing the photo, as well as the account of Michael Joseph Garza, who said he was the protester in the frame. Mr. Garza, in a Facebook post, said he had attempted to help the couple leave as some in the crowd grew hostile.

“I start to clear the path. I walk right up to her and say, ‘Ma’am we have listened to you. We understand this is all a little wild, but we have cleared a path for you to leave.'”

“My right hand was constantly swinging in motion, showing her the path out we made for her,” Mr. Garza wrote. “She goes, and I quote, ‘Go? Back in my day, you know what we did.'”

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...e-the-gesture/

[New Mexican Disaster]

I'm sure you are all wondering , so I will say I'm a capitalist and I'm for free trade in theory. It's reality that gets in the way. I do think it's funny how there's this obsession around free trade and that enacting tariffs is screwing around with the invisible hand of the market, as if the market isn't fucked up as it is with burdensome taxation and crushing regulation. (not evenly applied, btw, if you have influence you can get around it with waivers, tailored deductions, and special waivers) Free trade to me is more than just the absence of tariffs. We had some sort of tariff system for most of our existence, we grew into the leading global economic powerhouse and leading innovator in the world with having tariffs in place. I'm not arguing for tariffs, but I am saying that they are not necessarily the boogeyman portrayed when reasonable. A no/low tariff policy hasn't led to robust economic growth over the last 10-15 years and that's because of our tax/regulatory environment.

Milton Friedman once said something to effect of you can't have open borders and a welfare state. I would use that same logic to say you can't have free trade and oppressive taxes/regulation.

I do hate free trade agreements in principle though because I see them as eroding our national sovereignty. I think we need the flexibility to protect our companies and workers from unfair trade practices. Trade policy should ALWAYS be in the hands of the people's representatives.

Interesting. Don't you think that taxation has been lower in the past 10-15 years than it was say 30 years ago?

[byu71]

What if Trump had said all old white guys are rapists?

I can guarantee we wouldn't listening to groups like move on .org. we wouldn't be going to his rallies yelling and screaming and interference with other's rights to hear him make an ass of himself. Have you heard the crap hillary and bernie spew about republicans? You really think I want to let old people die. Does being rich make someone a dirtbag? No, I wouldn't go protest his rally

[frank ryan]

I can guarantee we wouldn't listening to groups like move on .org. we wouldn't be going to his rallies yelling and screaming and interference with other's rights to hear him make an ass of himself. Have you heard the crap hillary and bernie spew about republicans? You really think I want to let old people die. Does being rich make someone a dirtbag? No, I wouldn't go protest his rally

no one else on either side of the isle is as bad as Trump.

[byu71]

no one else on either side of the isle is as bad as Trump.

I have always appreciated our civil political disagreements. In my opinion Hillary and Bernie suck as choices for President. Trump and Cruz suck as choices for President. I just don't think any of them deserve to be shouted down when addressing their supporters.

[Non Sequitur]

Assuming this lady's really giving the Hitler salute I'd say there's a good chance she's just some agent provocateur. We see this tactic all the time in the professional leftist agitator crowd.

I remember a long time ago reading a biography of G. Gordon Liddy. Before they settled on Watergate, Liddy had presented the idea of having someone decked out in McGovern gear and with a McGovern sign, pee while he was in the background of live McGovern news feed. He referred to it as "Pissers for McGovern". The plan was rejected.

Another scheme he presented was to employ and film female escorts disporting themselves with high ranking Democrats. That, also, was rejected.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here is a good article about her. She's a republican; this is not a left-wing "agitator". She claims she did it to protest the protesters that were comparing Trump to Hitler (so at best she's is not very bright ... ). On the other hand her is how the guy standing by her explained what happened:



http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...e-the-gesture/

Oh boy.

She and her husband, Don, had attended the rally to check out the candidate in person. “The Republican Party needs to be broken up, and I believe Donald Trump is the one to do it,” Ms. Peterson said.

If that is their goal, it is working.