The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[myboynoah]

lol at the HClinton team criticizing Comey for not following "policy."

[byu71]

I think Lynch didn't want to say "no" explicitly because she didn't want her ass on the line when it was leaked that the FBI/DoJ was sitting on new clinton emails. If that happened Comey wanted a signed memo from his boss stating that it was her that said not to tell congress.

Like I said before, anyone who associates with either Trump or Hillary or what they do ends up getting mud all over them

Someone asked me today who I was voting for. I honesty feel this way. If I vote for Trump I might feel dirty the rest of my life. If I vote for McMullin am doing it because he is the "mormon" guy. I told them I would probably end up voting for McMullin and then straight R down the ticket after that.

[BlueK]

Read JL's response, "typically means" and "typically assume". Read JL's response. So anyone who claims Trump appeals to the uneducated is throwing out a catch all. I would think any educated person would typically assume my question in a thread about the election concerns how "uneducated" is defined as it relates to Trump supporters.

Look you are an avid Trump hater. Fine, you have your reasons. If you want to give me crap since I don't hate him as much you do and dislike both about as equally that is fine. However, don't get so butt hurt if you get push back.

Trump tending to appeal more to those with lower levels of education is based on the polling research. They always ask the question about the highest level of formal education the respondent has reached and then they can see how preference falls out based on that question. This has been a consistent finding this time around. In past election cycles it's usually those with a college education who tend to like the Republican nominee more. This election it's been different. It's just the way it's playing out in this election. There are likely reasons for this that we can talk about, but my personal preference in this election isn't really relevant to whether this is true of the general electorate or not. I'm going to guess you wouldn't be offended to know Romney won with the college educated last time and Obama won among those with lower levels of education. It's flipped this time, which is one of the things that makes this particular election interesting to study. Trump just isn't a normal republican. I don't think that's really in dispute.

[Commando]

Trump tending to appeal more to those with lower levels of education is based on the polling research. They always ask the question about the highest level of formal education and then they can see how preference falls out based on that question. This has been a consistent finding this time around. In past election cycles it's usually those with a college education who tend to like the Republican nominee more. This election it's been different.

I could have told you that just based on my fb feed.

[Commando]

[byu71]

I need to be not so sensitive. It shouldn't bother me that much that the uneducated are being looked down on by some of you and the dems.

Heck, I did the same thing when the uneducated used to be the main constituency of the dems.

I also mellowed when I found a lot of non college grads are a lot smarter than me and for that matter a lot smarter than some of educated folks on this board.

You are aware a lot of U graduates work at McDonalds. How smart is that?

[BlueK]

I need to be not so sensitive. It shouldn't bother me that much that the uneducated are being looked down on by some of you and the dems.

Heck, I did the same thing when the uneducated used to be the main constituency of the dems.

I also mellowed when I found a lot of non college grads are a lot smarter than me and for that matter a lot smarter than some of educated folks on this board.

You are aware a lot of U graduates work at McDonalds. How smart is that?

You have to admit many of the Trump people are giving us a lot of material to work with -- like the woman pictured in this thread wearing the shirt with the arrow pointing at her crotch and the message to Trump telling him he's welcome to grab her there. Maybe it's just an unfortunate stereotype, but that's not the usual image most would have of an educated person. Then again, maybe she's a Ph.D. But I doubt it.

[Commando]

I need to be not so sensitive. It shouldn't bother me that much that the uneducated are being looked down on by some of you and the dems.

Heck, I did the same thing when the uneducated used to be the main constituency of the dems.

I also mellowed when I found a lot of non college grads are a lot smarter than me and for that matter a lot smarter than some of educated folks on this board.

You are aware a lot of U graduates work at McDonalds. How smart is that?

I don't look down on the uneducated-- just Trump supporters.

[BlueK]

I don't look down on the uneducated-- just Trump supporters.

I look down on some of them, like the guy who punched out the protester at the rally and then said next time they should kill the guy. But I mostly look down on Trump manipulating and riling up his supporters that leads to that kind of thing.

[byu71]

I look down on some of them, like the guy who punched out the protester at the rally and then said next time they should kill the guy. But I mostly look down on Trump manipulating and riling up his supporters that leads to that kind of thing.

That's fair I don't look down on all Hillary supporters either just the ones that lie she steal and would screw financially anybody they could

[PaloAltoCougar]

One of the many interesting things one gleans from Hillbilly Elegy is the sense of hopelessness among the white working class (the “WWC”), which surveys have shown to be the most pessimistic group in the U.S.—blacks and Latinos are more optimistic about their futures than is the WWC. Despite his myriad flaws, Trump is unexcelled at self-promotion and marketing, and he has superbly capitalized on the WWC by appealing to its basest instincts, which is why his comments on immigration have resonated since the beginning. The depth of hopelessness and fear among the WWC must be severe, if it’s able to lap up total bullshit like this declaration:

"She wants to let people just pour in,” Trump said. “You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. That’s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week.

If Hillary is elected, I'll have my usual amount of depression and concern. If Trump is elected, I'll probably become more fearful than the WWC.

[frank ryan]

It was against both tradition and explicitly written policy. Now, policy is not law and he is not going to be put in jail for what he did (I don't think anyone is advocating such) but his choices made him less effective at his job. Regarding Lynch ordering him not to, Lynch is technically his boss but cannot fire Comey. In fact, not even Obama could fire Comey outside of some very limited circumstances. Lynch can advise him, which it appears she did, but to issue an order would have put her in a bad spot. Better to let him hoist himself and not blow up with him.



The very first time. He should have gone the normal route and refused comment or at most made a very minimal statement about the status of an investigation.



He was/is in a tight spot of his own making. The statement that he made was not his only option and it could have been handled much better. He also was screwed by some lower level people who decided to take their time informing him. If I were him, I'd be cleaning house and making some immediate reassignments.

I'm bothered that he told Chaffetz before any democrats or even Hillary was made aware. I think he is cyaing a bit but am also bothered that he resisted asserting Russia is trying to influence our elections for fear that such a statement would be overly political.

I have a sick feeling Trump will win and that terrifies me. I hope that if it happens the democrats get the senate. You can't count on the GOP to police trump.

[frank ryan]

I need to be not so sensitive. It shouldn't bother me that much that the uneducated are being looked down on by some of you and the dems.

Heck, I did the same thing when the uneducated used to be the main constituency of the dems.

I also mellowed when I found a lot of non college grads are a lot smarter than me and for that matter a lot smarter than some of educated folks on this board.

You are aware a lot of U graduates work at McDonalds. How smart is that?

I suspect you are joking but there are not a lot of U graduates, or any college grad for that matter, working in fast food. Also, you need to clean out your boardmail.

[Northwestcoug]

One of the many interesting things one gleans from Hillbilly Elegy is the sense of hopelessness among the white working class (the “WWC”), which surveys have shown to be the most pessimistic group in the U.S.—blacks and Latinos are more optimistic about their futures than is the WWC. Despite his myriad flaws, Trump is unexcelled at self-promotion and marketing, and he has superbly capitalized on the WWC by appealing to its basest instincts, which is why his comments on immigration have resonated since the beginning. The depth of hopelessness and fear among the WWC must be severe, if it’s able to lap up total bullshit like this declaration:



If Hillary is elected, I'll have my usual amount of depression and concern. If Trump is elected, I'll probably become more fearful than the WWC.

This is pretty good, and despite my online fanboiism of Hillary, I am fully aware of her significant shortcomings. It is tempered by the fact that we've only rarely had above-average presidents. So I will expect little and hope to be pleasantly surprised at another Clinton presidency.

I sincerely hope that with a Clinton win the demons of the conservative media will finally be exorcised. They are unhinged when it comes to the Clintons. They are unable to properly gauge their multiple shortcomings, and all of them are classified as evil. If they have done their 'best' to defeat her (and they certainly have put on a full-court press), then just maybe their influence on the right will diminish. At least I can hope.

[BlueK]

One of the many interesting things one gleans from Hillbilly Elegy is the sense of hopelessness among the white working class (the “WWC”), which surveys have shown to be the most pessimistic group in the U.S.—blacks and Latinos are more optimistic about their futures than is the WWC. Despite his myriad flaws, Trump is unexcelled at self-promotion and marketing, and he has superbly capitalized on the WWC by appealing to its basest instincts, which is why his comments on immigration have resonated since the beginning. The depth of hopelessness and fear among the WWC must be severe, if it’s able to lap up total bullshit like this declaration:


If Hillary is elected, I'll have my usual amount of depression and concern. If Trump is elected, I'll probably become more fearful than the WWC.

That pretty much describes how I feel. Hillary is your garden variety democrat liberal and a not atypical corrupt politician. But she's shrewd and not likely to bring the world down, IMO. Not my preference, but the world will go on and we can try to defeat her in four years. Plus, the House will most likely go to the GOP anyway to mostly keep her in check to some degree.

But Trump honestly scares the crap out of me.