The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[Eddie]

...my spouse and I had an arranged meeting with another couple in a mall parking lot...

Yeah, right. Tell the truth. You were swinging, weren't you?

Seriously. I had such high hopes for this story the way it started out. But they met someone in a mall parking lot and the conversation turned to retirement? Boring!

Perhaps the difference this time is that back during the early primary period they were predicting his demise while he led the other republicans in the polls. Right now they're predicting his demise while Hillary's lead over him in the polls is growing.

55% of the people hate Hillary. But 70% of them hate Trump.

Can anyone tell me how we got to a place where the person who will probably win the election is hated by more than half of the people - and yet will still manage to get the majority vote? And she will because even more people (70%) hate the other guy?

I mean...we couldn't find even ONE candidate that more than half of the people don't hate?

Our democracy is broken.

[creekster]

Seriously. I had such high hopes for this story the way it started out. But they met someone in a mall parking lot and the conversation turned to retirement? Boring!

I am not sure why you guys find this so confusing. They have an arrangement to rendezvous in a parking lot with a couple they met on Craig's List. They go to discuss, inspect and exchange "home furnishings" such as matching drapes and carpets, all of which are for sale. And then, after completing the 'transaction' they muse about life ahead, including retirement. It seems pretty clear to me. I'm surprised he was that forthright.

[Paperback Writer]

Yeah, right. Tell the truth. You were swinging, weren't you?

Don't we have to attend a Dehlin seminar and resign from the church before we start swinging?

[Eddie]

I am not sure why you guys find this so confusing. They have an arrangement to rendezvous in a parking lot with a couple they met on Craig's List. They go to discuss, inspect and exchange "home furnishings" such as matching drapes and carpets, all of which are for sale. And then, after completing the 'transaction' they muse about life ahead, including retirement. It seems pretty clear to me. I'm surprised he was that forthright.

Gotcha. Drapes that don't match carpets can be a deal breaker for some people. Gotta make sure you like the furnishings before silling the dill.

[falafel]

Gotcha. Drapes that don't match carpets can be a deal breaker for some people. Gotta make sure you like the furnishings before silling the dill.

[byu71]

You've been in mourning for the past 16 years? You've missed some good shit. The stock market is riding high, unemployment is at a record low, and the Utes always beat the Cougars! Good times.

The market is riding high?? It hasn't done anything for at least 18 months

[I.J. Reilly]

Trump's endgame is a cable channel. http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/...ump-tv-network

[Jeff Lebowski]

Bravo John Kasich.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...24409?cmpid=sf

[Color Me Badd Fan]

The Democrats have presented a bill in the Senate that will disallow gun sales to people that appear in the terror watch list. Joe Manchin out of WV says something to the effect of "due process is killing people."

This is a poor choice of words, but I think this is a good bill as long as there's a way for someone to overcome the presumption. There should be a process by which someone who appears on the list can show why their appearance on the list is unwarranted.

[BlueK]

Maybe, maybe not.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-...ounties-224344

Yeah, not very reliable methodology, IMO. If you look up the current polls, something seems to have happened in the last week that has pushed Hillary ahead by 5-7 points from before. She's close or at double digit leads now, even with Johnson in the mix. It's consistent across several polls and beyond the margin of error. This coincides with several recent Trump gaffes.

[BlueK]

The Democrats have presented a bill in the Senate that will disallow gun sales to people that appear in the terror watch list. Joe Manchin out of WV says something to the effect of "due process is killing people."

This is a poor choice of words, but I think this is a good bill as long as there's a way for someone to overcome the presumption. There should be a process by which someone who appears on the list can show why their appearance on the list is unwarranted.

The government can make a mistake with those terror watch lists? Oh my.

[Goatnapper'96]

The Democrats have presented a bill in the Senate that will disallow gun sales to people that appear in the terror watch list. Joe Manchin out of WV says something to the effect of "due process is killing people."

This is a poor choice of words, but I think this is a good bill as long as there's a way for someone to overcome the presumption. There should be a process by which someone who appears on the list can show why their appearance on the list is unwarranted.

The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

The above quote kept popping up on my facebook feed. I have a lot of conservative friends and often I discount the blurbs I see as out of context. So I went and checked it out and legitimately this is in some news article. Likely most of you have been exposed to it. Here is the link: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2673201

From what I read I had no issues with the Cornyn Bill that is the one I think you are referencing. But it must be really hard to find some type of compromise when liberals are influenced by articles written by the Gersh Kuntzman's of the world. The self-righteousness and condescension so apparent in his efforts to provide his readers what shooting an AR-15 is like just muddies the water. Perhaps he is not representing a mainstream perspective but I think he might be. "Oh how it pained my supremely superior secular human soul to have to hold in my loving and tolerant hands such a tool of destruction....oh how my very system was repulsed as I pulled the trigger just to prove my objectivity in researching what primitive joy those backwoods right-winged rednecks can find in such an inhumane activity! It was all I could take and I will probably suffer PTSD for the rest of my blessed life, but as a man of the people how could I honestly advocate my cause without at least honestly trying to understand my sad and simple opponent? Clearly, I am a combat casualty of our righteous and noble cause. Sadly, I could not find what ignorant pleasure they can find and you my reader can now righteously continue your march to take away others' guns as I have informed you of how it will destroy your soul to even come near one!"

The problem is that liberals are moving so far from the center. How can one find common ground with people who think shooting an AR-15 gives PTSD? The issue is folks not having enough kids. This hack might be older than me but I wonder if the thing missing in his life was an older brother who took his sacred older brother duties serious. Occasional real life ass whoopings are good for the soul and help one to only develop PTSD as a consequence of legitimate traumatical experiences and not soul choking self-righteousness.

[Eddie]

The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.

That writeup was comical. Next I want him to ride a rollercoaster and the write about the experience. What did he feel? How scared did he get? How long will he be traumatized? How long did it take after he got off for his heartbeat to return to normal? How long was he anxious and irritable?

Years ago I was staying at my Mom's house for a visit - we lived out of town. I had brought a little .22 pistol to do some shooting with some friends, and was then cleaning it after when my sister came over with her husband to visit mom. She looked at the pistol as if I were holding the most poisonous snake in the world. Then tears rolled down her cheeks as she expressed sadness at the creation of a tool that was built with the sole purpose of killing people.

I tried not to laugh out loud - I was honestly surprised and taken back by the tears - and then explained to her that this particular tool of mine had never been used to kill someone. And I didn't anticipate that it ever would. But I enjoy target shooting. It's fun to me. She just shook her head as she walked out of the room.

As long as people approach the subject in that manner - that the sole purpose of guns is to kill people - this conversation isn't going to go very far. And there can be no compromising.

[Eddie]

I know this isn't the official "guns" thread - so I'll leave it with one last comment.

Tuesday evening I took a group of the YM in our ward shooting. Mostly .22 rifles, but with some 9mm pistols and an AR in .223 mixed in for fun.

One of the kids mentioned being a little nervous about the AR, because from a distance when he heard them shooting it, it was loud. But the absolute biggest grins of the evening came from shooting it. The one gun that all of the boys said they wanted to go out and shoot again.

I'm not sure what caliber that reporter was shooting to have bruised himself. Really? You bruised yourself shooting an AR? Not the traditional .223, I would guess. (So far I haven't heard from any parents about boys exhibiting PTSD symptoms or being overly anxious or irritable.)

[Paperback Writer]

I know this isn't the official "guns" thread - so I'll leave it with one last comment.

Tuesday evening I took a group of the YM in our ward shooting. Mostly .22 rifles, but with some 9mm pistols and an AR in .223 mixed in for fun.

One of the kids mentioned being a little nervous about the AR, because from a distance when he heard them shooting it, it was loud. But the absolute biggest grins of the evening came from shooting it. The one gun that all of the boys said they wanted to go out and shoot again.

I'm not sure what caliber that reporter was shooting to have bruised himself. Really? You bruised yourself shooting an AR? Not the traditional .223, I would guess. (So far I haven't heard from any parents about boys exhibiting PTSD symptoms or being overly anxious or irritable.)

On a multi-ward scout campout, we set up a range so the scouts could pass off the shooting requirements of the rifle shooting merit badge (among several other merit badges). We thought we had planned well and had a couple of .22 rifles on the range and thought that was enough based on the number of scouts that had signed up for that MB. Problem was that almost all the scouts decided they wanted to shoot with many ditching their other MB classes to wait in line at the range. A neighbor heard gunshots and drove over to see what was going on. He saw the lines and came back with his .223 AR for us to borrow and we quickly set up another shooting lane. Like your boys, everyone wanted to take a turn with the .223 AR.

The following day after church, my spouse asked what we were thinking letting 12-year old boys shoot military assault rifles on a campout. It seems my son thought the .223 AR was really an AR15 which was described by my son as "just like an M-16" to another kid who told his Mom that the scouts got to shoot assault rifles which resulted in a query to my wife on how her husband could allow that. Ward gossip grapevines can be fun. It also reached the Bishop who asked a similar question to his 2C who attended the campout.