The Obama v. Romney Debate Thread, Part II

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  • All-American
    Right, as Usual
    • Nov 2008
    • 15643

    #1

    The Obama v. Romney Debate Thread, Part II

    This one will be interesting, to say the least.

    Both camps have got to understand how important this debate is. A repeat performance of the debate in Denver may be the blow that spells the end of the Obama Presidency. To keep his momentum going, Romney has to show that what happened two weeks ago was no fluke. In short, they both understand that the election can be won or lost tonight.

    My thoughts/predictions:

    Obama lost in Denver not because he had an off night (altitude? really?), but because he was woefully underprepared. His performance was the result of a preparation process that was good enough to beat McCain, and he thought it would be good enough for Romney. He was wrong-- by a lot. As such, he will have put himself through a two-week crash course in how to beat this guy. He will have realized that his natural style-- professorial, lecturing, above-the-fray-- will lose him the election, and has done everything possible to do in two weeks to get on the attack.

    Quite a bit has been made of the town-hall format, and whether it plays to the strengths and weaknesses of either candidate. I don't think it matters much, honestly, but it certainly doesn't play into Obama's strengths. He hurt himself in Denver by rambling, lecturing, and droning. He spoke longer and said less than Romney. The town hall format makes those things easier to do. He will have to work extra hard to guard against those tendencies.

    Romney has yet another chance to show that the caricature which the Obama campaign has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build is a farce. Women, in particular, have shifted in remarkable fashion from the Obama camp, which has seen a double-digit lead in that demographic dissolve into a tie. Another solid performance, guarding against any gaffes, will preserve the gains he has made. (I'll be interested to see how much he makes of Libya; most of America seems not to notice what's going on there.)

    The most likely outcome, in my opinion, is that both candidates will put together solid performances, with both of them landing punches that will please their respective bases. Both are aware of how high the stakes are, and both will be ready for the fight. Barring any remarkable gaffes (of which both candidates are capable), my guess is that we will see a bloody draw, with one candidate or the other taking a slight advantage that will be within the margin of error, and the fight will continue.
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  • Shaka
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 10438

    #2
    I'll make a prediction. Obama improves but will lose again. Romney soaks up the technical and is quick enough on his feet to make use of it.

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    • Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz
      Posterinator
      • Feb 2012
      • 139

      #3
      President Obama is excited to debate Mitt Romney for the first time tonight.

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      • Moliere
        One man.....one pie
        • Oct 2009
        • 27820

        #4
        My prediction is that Obama comes out swinging like crazy, but he overdoes it, which results in turning off some voters but energizing his base. Romney I think goes after Obama's record again and tries to keep the focus on foreign policy (where Obama is currently failing) and tries to show leadership and policy (another place Obama is failing).

        Ultimately I think Romney wins on substance and style.

        I make these predictions after thinking back to the Gore/Bush debates. Gore lost the first debate for his incredibly unnatural yawns/noises he made while Bush spoke, not to mention the blatantly calculated physical moves (someone linked the time he approached Bush and invaded his personal space). The next debate Gore way over corrected and came out flat. It wasn't until the third debate (much too late in the process) that he finally let himself just debate without all the other crap, and he performed well.

        I think Obama is going to be prone for over correction the way that Gore was, but of course you might argue that Biden WAS the overcorrection.
        "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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        • YOhio
          Hipster Mode
          • Nov 2008
          • 26165

          #5
          Romney won't be as good and Obama won't be as bad as in the first debate. Neither will make any big mistakes and it will be counted as a missed opportunity for Romney. That's my prediction.

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          • Clark Addison
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 10298

            #6
            I predict that I will not watch it again.

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            • creekster
              It is NOT a monkey!
              • Nov 2008
              • 22661

              #7
              Originally posted by YOhio View Post
              Romney won't be as good and Obama won't be as bad as in the first debate. Neither will make any big mistakes and it will be counted as a missed opportunity for Romney. That's my prediction.
              You might be correct, but the problem here is there will be no accurate way to compare these two proceedings given the difference in format.
              PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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              • YOhio
                Hipster Mode
                • Nov 2008
                • 26165

                #8
                Originally posted by creekster View Post
                You might be correct, but the problem here is there will be no accurate way to compare these two proceedings given the difference in format.
                Thanks for the heads up. I'm sure that all the pundits proclaiming one candidate or the other as victor will be sure to point that out.

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                • Uncle Ted
                  The Big 12 money shot.
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 28853

                  #9
                  I believe if Obama gets another question like this and answers it pretty much the same, especially in a town hall format, his campaign over...

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                  • creekster
                    It is NOT a monkey!
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 22661

                    #10
                    Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                    Thanks for the heads up. I'm sure that all the pundits proclaiming one candidate or the other as victor will be sure to point that out.
                    Good point.
                    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                    • Tex
                      Board Anti-Christ
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 716

                      #11
                      When President Barack Obama stepped off the stage in Denver last week the 60 million Americans watching the debate against Mitt Romney already knew it had been a disaster for him.

                      But what nobody knew, until now, was that Obama believed he had actually won.

                      In an extraordinary insight into the events leading up to the 90 minute showdown which changed the face of the election, a Democrat close to the Obama campaign today reveals that the President also did not take his debate preparation seriously, ignored the advice of senior aides and ignored one-liners that had been prepared to wound Romney.

                      The Democrat said that Obama's inner circle was dismayed at the 'disaster' and that he believed the central problem was that the President was so disdainful of Romney that he didn't believe he needed to engage with him.
                      President Barack Obama did not take his debate preparation seriously, ignored the advice of senior aides and walked off the stage in Denver believing he had got the better of Mitt Romney, according to reports.
                      Have we been commanded not to call a prophet an insular racist? Link?

                      - Cali Coug

                      I always wanted to wear a tiara.
                      We need to be careful going back to the bible for guidance.

                      - Jeff Lebowski

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                      • byu71
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 22070

                        #12
                        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                        Romney won't be as good and Obama won't be as bad as in the first debate. Neither will make any big mistakes and it will be counted as a missed opportunity for Romney. That's my prediction.
                        I agree with this. Essentially a tie but that will give the media the opportunity to spin it in Obama's favor.

                        My hope is most people watch the debate and don't hang around to listen to the media spin.

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                        • Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz
                          Posterinator
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 139

                          #13
                          "'I feel fabulous,' Obama told reporters on his way into a meeting with top aides after three days of intensive 'debate camp' at a Virginia golf resort."

                          http://www.cnbc.com/id/49427568

                          It seems that after the first debate it would have behooved Obama's team to remove any potential impediments from his preparation. So then they hold "debate camp" at a golf course?

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                          • Moliere
                            One man.....one pie
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 27820

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
                            I predict that I will not watch it again.
                            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                            • Portland Ute
                              Junior Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 5647

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz View Post
                              "'I feel fabulous,' Obama told reporters on his way into a meeting with top aides after three days of intensive 'debate camp' at a Virginia golf resort."

                              http://www.cnbc.com/id/49427568

                              It seems that after the first debate it would have behooved Obama's team to remove any potential impediments from his preparation. So then they hold "debate camp" at a golf course?
                              Well, at least he felt at home.

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