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  • #46
    Originally posted by All-American View Post
    Fair is a flat tax. Nobody wants fair.
    Fair is everyone paying taxes proportional to the benefit they receive. Of course that is impossible to accurately measure, and even if that were possible there is no way it would work. Anyone who claims any other system is fair is blowing smoke up your ass. There are very good arguments to be made for systems being more beneficial for society or different purposes, but "fair" gets bandied about far too often.
    Last edited by DU Ute; 04-11-2012, 10:05 AM.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by wally View Post
      On NPR this morning they were discussing President Obama's "fairness in taxation" speach and made mention that if investments were taxed it could ultimately discourage investing in government bonds after taxes cut into an already low yield.
      There was a real good article in real clear politics that basically called Obama's "buffet rule" campaign nothing but political bull crap. I don't think they are a right wing publication either.

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      • #48
        Among the biggest disappointments to me is President Obama's unwillingness to even pretend to tackle debt/deficit/entitlement issues. While I applaud the creation of the Simpson/Bowles deficit commission, in retrospect it seems a waste of time as their recommendations have been thoroughly ignored. I would support the President in the implementation of a tax increase if it were utilized to address those problems.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by byu71 View Post
          There was a real good article in real clear politics that basically called Obama's "buffet rule" campaign nothing but political bull crap. I don't think they are a right wing publication either.
          my buffet rule is that bread and other filler starches are for rookies.
          Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by BYUMizzou View Post
            I appears that Ann has a slight lead on Michelle in this very important category


            Michelle is wearing a pushup
            "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

            "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Jacob View Post
              But...but...but...the bracket says 20% Lets not confuse the masses.
              Robin is probably adding on payroll taxes. Lumping together payroll and income tax and calling it "federal taxes" is a tactic from the left I've noticed in recent years to argue that the poor pay more than the rich.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                And some get far more social benefit than they need.

                However, I agree with you and President Obama had a chance to raise everyone's taxes back to the Clinton rates and he failed. I can live with returning back to the Clinton rates and then cutting government spending, including the deep Pentagon cuts, $700 billion. The reality is it is going to take a pragmatist to fix our deficit issues and my opinion is there is nothing in President Obama's record to date that indicates that is how he is wired or inclined. Romney, on the other hand was a governor in Massachuesetts and dealt with a liberal legislature, has experience as a problem solving business executive and is likely a more moderate than Obama. These indicate to me that he will have the requisite abilities to build bi-partisan teams that can tackle that issue.
                I'm fairly certain that this is the second time we've fully agreed on something. The other being that Dumb and Dumber is an awesome flick.

                Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                I would be OK with paying more in taxes if there was some kind of guarantee on the spending side. I was OK with Bowles/Simpson.

                I absolutely don't want what the Dems pulled on both Reagan and Bush. A promise of spending cuts along with the tax increases. The buts never came and poor George Bush got nailed on "read my lips".

                I would be willing to have me required to work 2 more years before I get social security and have my taxes raised. The reason is selfish. It is for my kids and grandkids. However, no spending cuts then it really doesn't matter and raising my taxes is bull shit.
                Spending has to be cut. Taxes have to be raised. Obama is looking less and less like the man for that awful job. If Romney tries, I foresee him being a one-term president. But, he might be the Great Healer.

                Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                Among the biggest disappointments to me is President Obama's unwillingness to even pretend to tackle debt/deficit/entitlement issues. While I applaud the creation of the Simpson/Bowles deficit commission, in retrospect it seems a waste of time as their recommendations have been thoroughly ignored. I would support the President in the implementation of a tax increase if it were utilized to address those problems.
                Agreed, especially the first sentence.
                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by All-American View Post
                  Fair is a flat tax. Nobody wants fair.

                  Fiscally, we're screwed till 90% of us have significant skin in the game. Until then, the feds will continue to be horrible fiscal stewards.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                    Sorry, the rationale "both parties will be equally successful or unsuccessful in dealing with the economic issues" practically screams "I don't really care about the economy." No need to lash out at me; I'm just helping you understand what you're saying.
                    I don't agree.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Tim View Post
                      I'm voting for Obama for the following reasons:
                      • Capturing bin Laden
                      • Pulling us out of Iraq
                      • Timetable set for departure from Afghanistan
                      • Ending DODT
                      • Sponsorship of successful legislation geared toward minimizing decision-making capabilities of profit-driven health insurance companies.
                      • Increase in domestic oil production while working to minimize risks of offshore drilling.
                      • From a personal perspective, I've seen tremendous growth in own economic situation during his presidency.
                      • Lastly, I find him to be a decent, moral, intelligent man of the people.


                      Could those things continue under Romney? Perhaps. But I'd be happy if the trajectory we're on continued, so I see no reason to vote out the current president.
                      Did I miss something? Where is Obama keeping Osama?
                      Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                      For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                      Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by doctorcoug View Post
                        Michelle is wearing a pushup
                        Whatever it is, she should be in a position to be able to have custom bra fittings instead of wearing that poorly fitting brasier that looks to have been fitted an purchased at a local walmart.

                        Good lord, Michelle. Go get a bra fitting.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                          Did I miss something? Where is Obama keeping Osama?
                          Davy Jones' Locker.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                            None of us pay enough in taxes.

                            None of YOU pay enough in taxes. I pay enough already.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                              None of us pay enough in taxes.
                              Enough to cover our excessive spending? True.

                              The more accurate statement would be:

                              None of us can pay enough in taxes to cover the government's expenses.
                              Everything in life is an approximation.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by mUUser View Post
                                None of YOU pay enough in taxes. I pay enough already.
                                Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                                Enough to cover our excessive spending? True.

                                The more accurate statement would be:
                                Horse shit.
                                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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