Obamacare cost...

[Jacob]

lol From dailykos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...nthly-premium#

Obamacare with double my monthly premium

I am canceling insurance for us and I am not paying any fucking penalty. What the hell kind of reform is this?

Oh, ok, if we qualify, we can get some government assistance. Great. So now I have to jump through another hoop to just chisel some of this off. And we don't qualify, anyway, so what's the point?

[imanihonjin]

lol From dailykos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...nthly-premium#

Yeah, nobody saw this coming. Wanna bet he voted for Obama?

[imanihonjin]

I wanted to do a cost comparison of the insurance costs found on the exchange for my state. Shockingly, the system will not allow me to create an account. What a great system. I can only wait till the government gets more of its grubby fingers on the US health system.

[Indy Coug]

That's a serious war of attrition right there. It makes Napoleon's march into Russia look like a Sunday drive up Provo Canyon.

[Omaha 680]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...e-rollout.html

Healthcare.gov is a colossal, expensive failure that projects a 1970s-era DMV experience into cyberspace. It wasn’t for lack of money. As The New York Times reports in a devastating anatomy of failure, some $400 million has been spent so far in creating “a one-stop click-and-go hub for citizens seeking health insurance.” But rest easy, America, since the Times cites a source who says that “the project was now roughly 70 percent of the way toward operating properly.” And the other 30 percent, which is kinda sorta important? “I’ve heard as little as two weeks or as much as a couple of months.” Which is to say, don’t go skydiving or skiing come January 1, 2014.

There’s reason to believe that by keeping people from actually pricing insurance plans, healthcare.gov is trying to mask the cost of the coverage offered at the exchange. It turns out that the major cause of the traffic bottleneck at healthcare.gov is the requirement that visitors register and give personal information before being allowed to browse for plans—the sort of impediment rarely encountered these days at most e-commerce sites.

The one thing that the Obama administration has going for it is opposition by Republicans, which maintains its “stupid party” reputation the old-fashioned way—they earn it. Obamacare has never been popular with voters, even as its unpopularity has declined slightly due to the shutdown. Spectacularly, the Republicans managed to blunt the full-on disaster of Obamacare’s roll-out by cluttering truly popular demands for reductions in spending and debt with a laundry list of demands about defunding and/or delaying health care and other issues (such as approving the XL Keystone Pipeline).

Had the GOP focused on strictly fiscal matters, they not only might have gotten a clean CR at current spending levels and a blessedly dirty debt deal, they might have provided space for a true grassroots movement to delay Obamacare.

Instead, here we are, with a Congress that no one can stand, a president whose numbers are slumping, and a botched health-care reform whose worst days are ahead of it and whose online debut inspires about as much confidence in the future of America as flooz.com did back in the day.

[Uncle Ted]

Now that folks have had a chance to "find out what is in [the health care law]"...

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[Uncle Ted]

This study was done by that SoB heritage foundation so it's best to add some salt. It taste better.

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http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...insurance-fare

What the heck is going on in Virginia? I thought Obama said he was going to save families $2,500/year not cost them $15,000/year more for health care.

[Indy Coug]

What a complete cluster.

http://onforb.es/1a24VaW

[All-American]

This study was done by that SoB heritage foundation so it's best to add some salt. It taste better.

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http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...insurance-fare

What the heck is going on in Virginia? I thought Obama said he was going to save families $2,500/year not cost them $15,000/year more for health care.

Is Massachusetts not on the list because they already have a similar program set up?

Curious as to why the states that show a drop in price (Colorado, NY, RI, etc) are so different.

[Goatnapper'96]

What a complete cluster.

http://onforb.es/1a24VaW

I wondered at times why he didn't take the chance to forego it for a year that the Republicans were offering. My understanding was the original offer was to forego ObamaCare for one year in exchange for restoring the non-sequestered spending levels - in essence the sequestered mandated reductions are replaced by suspending the costs associated with ObamaCare for next year. I thought it dumb then and still do for Republicans to take that approach, but for Obama and Democrats it would have been a really good deal. It also would have cemented the Democrats in the Senate. If this Charlie-Foxtrot lingers until next summer in the headlines it is really going to hurt the 5 Senate Democrats who voted for it that are running in Right-leaning states even with the debacle of the past few weeks.

[Uncle Ted]

Is Massachusetts not on the list because they already have a similar program set up?

The answer may require reading the article that was linked above...

This study considers the data as released by HHS. States with little data released are omitted from this study.[4]

Curious as to why the states that show a drop in price (Colorado, NY, RI, etc) are so different.

That is a good question. I am guessing states with a drop in price have more competition or supply of health insurance and health care providers. Note that health insurance in Wyo and AK is pretty dang pricy (where I am guessing the supply of health care providers is low). In some cases it seems that states are dropping were already priced higher that the national average.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I saw a healthcare.gov commercial last night during Sunday Night Football. The gist of the ad was "you know that bad knee you've been looking at fixing up? Well now you can at healthcare.gov." So basically, the idea they're promoting is that all the sick and injured people need to stream onto the health insurance exchanges and buy insurance so they can do things like getting their joints operated on. Somewhere along the way peoples' ideas of INSURANCE and what health insurance companies need to do to turn a profit have become badly skewed. If all the people signing up for health insurance on the exchanges are in bad need of healthcare then this thing is going to go into a death spiral.

[Uncle Ted]

I saw a healthcare.gov commercial last night during Sunday Night Football. The gist of the ad was "you know that bad knee you've been looking at fixing up? Well now you can at healthcare.gov." So basically, the idea they're promoting is that all the sick and injured people need to stream onto the health insurance exchanges and buy insurance so they can do things like getting their joints operated on. Somewhere along the way peoples' ideas of INSURANCE and what health insurance companies need to do to turn a profit have become badly skewed. If all the people signing up for health insurance on the exchanges are in bad need of healthcare then this thing is going to go into a death spiral.

I can't wait for the follow on... "now that your grandkids are paying out the butt for their health insurance you can get that hip replacement that you always wanted."

[Goatnapper'96]

I saw a healthcare.gov commercial last night during Sunday Night Football. The gist of the ad was "you know that bad knee you've been looking at fixing up? Well now you can at healthcare.gov." So basically, the idea they're promoting is that all the sick and injured people need to stream onto the health insurance exchanges and buy insurance so they can do things like getting their joints operated on. Somewhere along the way peoples' ideas of INSURANCE and what health insurance companies need to do to turn a profit have become badly skewed. If all the people signing up for health insurance on the exchanges are in bad need of healthcare then this thing is going to go into a death spiral.

I read some article on Sunday that basically said: This is really screwed up but it is the only hope that poor and sick people have so they will endure everything to get their health insurance and that is what will save Obamacare. I will be surprised if the poor and sick push through this morass to get health care. I would not want my signature legislative achievement to be depending upon the fortitude of poor folks to do what is best for themselves when there is difficulty involved.

Can the Administration regulate the price increases that the exchanges will demand for 2015 when they have enough data concerning the costs, exactly who signed up and their geeky actuaries make predictions that are not exactly very rosy? Won't those new rates have to be published by October of 2014 - a month before the mid-term elections?

[Indy Coug]

I saw a healthcare.gov commercial last night during Sunday Night Football. The gist of the ad was "you know that bad knee you've been looking at fixing up? Well now you can at healthcare.gov." So basically, the idea they're promoting is that all the sick and injured people need to stream onto the health insurance exchanges and buy insurance so they can do things like getting their joints operated on. Somewhere along the way peoples' ideas of INSURANCE and what health insurance companies need to do to turn a profit have become badly skewed. If all the people signing up for health insurance on the exchanges are in bad need of healthcare then this thing is going to go into a death spiral.

Openly encouraging anti-selective behavior is financially sticking the double barrel in your mouth and pulling the trigger.