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You obviously don't have experience with adolescent girls.Originally posted by Maximus View PostDo best friends regularly spy on each other and steal each others secrets?"It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."
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You should start a club: Mormons for murder. I'd bet you would find a lot of people to join.Originally posted by Shaka View PostOption 5: Infiltrate and destroy (assassinate) Iran's leadership. I'd wager Israel has most the pieces in place to do this. This may have to be followed up by one of the other options.
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I was responding to the person who said they are our best friend. We are a lot better 'friend' or 'ally' to them then they are to us, that is for sure.Originally posted by creekster View PostTHey are nto friends, they are nation states. Those are very different things. ANd yes, allied nation states do this sort of thing all the time.
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That depends on your point fo view. They played a very key role during the cold war as a surrogate for us in various regional conflicts in teh middle east and elsewhere.Originally posted by Maximus View PostI was responding to the person who said they are our best friend. We are a lot better 'friend' or 'ally' to them then they are to us, that is for sure.
THe notion of 'friend' in genreal is poorly applied to geopolitics, iMO.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Israel has a right to defend itself, and I have no problem, at all, with the wall they built.
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They are practicing a species of apartheid, and it's going to destroy them."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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I am probably being short sighted, but looking at today it seems we do everything we can and Israel just says we will attack Iran with or without you (even though if we do it alone it will still hurt you considerably and force you into a conflict.)Originally posted by creekster View PostThat depends on your point fo view. They played a very key role during the cold war as a surrogate for us in various regional conflicts in teh middle east and elsewhere.
THe notion of 'friend' in genreal is poorly applied to geopolitics, iMO.
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The wall would be fine, if it were built on the border, but building it in some areas in the middle of Palestinian land, separating villages and people from schools, family, medical services, etc and not allowing to cross is that has made it so bad.Originally posted by wuapinmon View PostIsrael has a right to defend itself, and I have no problem, at all, with the wall they built.
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They are practicing a species of apartheid, and it's going to destroy them.
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Antisemitism at its worst.Originally posted by Maximus View PostThe wall would be fine, if it were built on the border, but building it in some areas in the middle of Palestinian land, separating villages and people from schools, family, medical services, etc and not allowing to cross is that has made it so bad.
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Oh brother. Technicalities. My point is that the American Jews are us and this complaint about Jews tilting America's allegience too far in Israel's favor is backward and ignorant.Originally posted by creekster View PostI think this is sort of an odd comment. First, the torah is not the old testament, it is the Pentateuch, or the first five books of what we call the old teatamnet.
Second, a symbiotic relationship, even if you are right, has to be between at least two things. If you have gentile ideas and disciplines, then the Jewish side must be the Torah, or the tradition of teaching and learning the Torah in the synagogue.
Should it be surprising that we support Isreal? They elect thier leaders, push them out of office when they are corrupt, can pubish and say whatever they want and debate the issues of the day openly and all ovder the country, they have excellent schools and universities, they send their children to be educated in U.S. universities, they listen to music (the Stones, Mozart, Jazz, hip hop, etc.), enjoy and create great works of art and literature, they inovate and lead businesses, they don't strap bombs to themselves and blow up families and children, they don't believe crazy stuff (most of them don't), they abhor totalitarianism. It's not about "Jewish money and influence." It sould not suprise anyone that we support Israel.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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