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  • #16
    Originally posted by creekster View Post
    We are both confused becasue I dont understand why being at a prayer breakfast to discuss politics means you must reference Christ (or atheism, for that matter), unless you are giving a prayer; then I would expect a Shout Out to Deity.
    I've never attended a White House prayer breakfast but my understanding is that it is common to discuss various political issues but with a general religious overtone. It is standard practice for various faiths to represent themselves and speak but the Prayer Breakfast has always been a Christian-sponsored event with evangelizing the message always being part of the menu, so to speak.

    Another purpose of the prayer breakfast would probably be to eat food.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Moliere View Post
      Exactly! Obama's remarks are just as offensive.
      Your outrage is misplaced, though. At most you should recognize it as a wash, and therefore, not anything at all. One side says it, the other says it. Big whoop. Is it true?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Tim View Post
        Your outrage is misplaced, though. At most you should recognize it as a wash, and therefore, not anything at all. One side says it, the other says it. Big whoop. Is it true?
        Romney said it?
        PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
          I've never attended a White House prayer breakfast but my understanding is that it is common to discuss various political issues but with a general religious overtone. It is standard practice for various faiths to represent themselves and speak but the Prayer Breakfast has always been a Christian-sponsored event with evangelizing the message always being part of the menu, so to speak.

          Another purpose of the prayer breakfast would probably be to eat food.
          That all may be true, but I still dont expect him to suggest that his polcies folow Christ's teachings and, by implication, oppsoiing his policies contradcit those teachings. You are right it is less surprising that the topic was addressed, but it is disappointing that he said what he said even so.
          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by creekster View Post
            Romney said it?
            Who said anything about Romney?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Tim View Post
              Who said anything about Romney?
              exactly. OB speaking as president is not equivalent to Bro Hardliner in GD class.
              PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by creekster View Post
                exactly. OB speaking as president is not equivalent to Bro Hardliner in GD class.
                I'm not comparing the two. I'm comparing Moliere's outrage about the two... or his outrage about one and his lack of outrage about the other.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Tim View Post
                  Your outrage is misplaced, though. At most you should recognize it as a wash, and therefore, not anything at all. One side says it, the other says it. Big whoop. Is it true?
                  No it's not. I'm just showing the other side. Both are offensive.
                  "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tim View Post
                    I'm not comparing the two. I'm comparing Moliere's outrage about the two... or his outrage about one and his lack of outrage about the other.


                    This is a thread about Obama's remarks. I can't ever remember defending people that think conservatism and the GOP are God's preferred economic principles and political party.
                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                      No it's not. I'm just showing the other side. Both are offensive.
                      You said nothing about the other side. You made your point solely about Barack Obama, in a "How could someone say that?!?!?!" kind of way.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Tim View Post
                        You said nothing about the other side. You made your point solely about Barack Obama, in a "How could someone say that?!?!?!" kind of way.
                        Of course I did. This thread is about the linked article. It's not about Cleon SKousen's beliefs.
                        "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                          Of course I did. This thread is about the linked article. It's not about Cleon SKousen's beliefs.
                          But the way you wrote about it suggested that it was isolated and only happens on one side. You did nothing to preface your comments with your awareness that it happens in both directions. You didn't mention at all that you find it disappointing with politics on both sides do it. Why would you want a one-sided discussion that ignores half the facts?
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tim View Post
                            But the way you wrote about it suggested that it was isolated and only happens on one side. You did nothing to preface your comments with your awareness that it happens in both directions. You didn't mention at all that you find it disappointing with politics on both sides do it. Why would you want a one-sided discussion that ignores half the facts?
                            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                            • #29
                              I think this is the most discussion on this topic anywhere on the web.
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                              • #30
                                Wasn't this the line from the Spider Man movie? What's the origin of it? Is it actually in the New Testament?
                                Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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