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The raw vote totals are meaningless. He paid Iowa only token attention this time around compared to 2008 and still won despite the best efforts of the Evangelicals.
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I don't think it matters that much, especially since few thought he would win in Iowa. He didn't pay much attention to the state until late. Romney goes on to win New Hampshire, coupled with the Iowa win, giving him some good momentum going into South Carolina and then Florida.Originally posted by calicoug View PostEven more amazing is that he was 6 votes shy of his exact vote total in 2008.
Uncanny. I don't think it bodes well for Mitt that he gets slightly fewer votes in a year where he is expected to be the nominee as opposed to a year where it was clear he would not win Iowa.
He gets McCain's endorsement tomorrow, gets to claim victory, gets some buzz.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Comments heard in IOWA:
Mitt Romney: "I won?"
Rick Santorum: "I won. Oh, wait."
Ron Paul: "The military still likes me."
Newt Gingrich: "You fools! I will destroy you all...except I like that Santorum fellow. I hope his delegates pick me when his campaign craters."
Michelle Bachman: "I was born in Iowa. Guess I just died in Iowa. But I can still kick Obama's butt. Go Santorum!"
Jon Huntsman: *crickets* (although not in Iowa bystanders in NH report overhearing "Anyone but Romney!")
Rick Perry: "Oops!""If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Meaningless? That's overstating things. They aren't disastrous either, but it signals Romney has work to do and it shows just how fractured the electorate was in Iowa and likely will be in several other states. It also begs the question which you unintentionally hit on in your post: can Romney win the nomination and general without the evangelicals? If not, can he get evangelicals to support him?Originally posted by Indy Coug View PostThe raw vote totals are meaningless. He paid Iowa only token attention this time around compared to 2008 and still won despite the best efforts of the Evangelicals.
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Work to do? With evangelicals? There is absolutely nothing that Mitt Romney can do to win over the evangelical vote. Nothing. He may pick up a few here or there, but if he does win the nomination it will be because the evangelicals realized that there are no other options and either voted for him or stayed home.Originally posted by calicoug View PostMeaningless? That's overstating things. They aren't disastrous either, but it signals Romney has work to do and it shows just how fractured the electorate was in Iowa and likely will be in several other states. It also begs the question which you unintentionally hit on in your post: can Romney win the nomination and general without the evangelicals? If not, can he get evangelicals to support him?Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
pelagius
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If Romney gets the GOP nomination, the evangelicals will fall in line. They hate Obama more than they hate Mormonism, which is saying something. They are smart enough to know that pushing a 3rd party candidate will guarantee another Obama term, so they'll fall in line and choose the lesser evil.Originally posted by calicoug View PostMeaningless? That's overstating things. They aren't disastrous either, but it signals Romney has work to do and it shows just how fractured the electorate was in Iowa and likely will be in several other states. It also begs the question which you unintentionally hit on in your post: can Romney win the nomination and general without the evangelicals? If not, can he get evangelicals to support him?
Having lived in the South it's amazing to see the number of cars that have 1/20/13 bumper stickers."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Hack. http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=8005583Originally posted by YOhio View PostThis means there are six fewer Mormons in Iowa than in 2008. Sad.
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I don't completely agree with that. His best bet is not to be Obama and to be the Republican nominee and convince evangelicals that Obama is out to destroy America and he is their only option. In fact, he has already started that (saying just the other day that Obama doesn't want America to be "one nation, under God").Originally posted by pellegrino View PostWork to do? With evangelicals? There is absolutely nothing that Mitt Romney can do to win over the evangelical vote. Nothing. He may pick up a few here or there, but if he does win the nomination it will be because the evangelicals realized that there are no other options and either voted for him or stayed home.
It won't work for most evangelicals, but the extent to which it does work will significantly impact his probability of being elected.
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I was only referring to the Republican Primary, the general is a completely different matter. Evangelicals will likely hold their nose and vote, but it depends on how much they really hate Obama.Originally posted by calicoug View PostI don't completely agree with that. His best bet is not to be Obama and to be the Republican nominee and convince evangelicals that Obama is out to destroy America and he is their only option. In fact, he has already started that (saying just the other day that Obama doesn't want America to be "one nation, under God").
It won't work for most evangelicals, but the extent to which it does work will significantly impact his probability of being elected.
Who knows, maybe the world really will end in 2012.Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
pelagius
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Ah. True.Originally posted by pellegrino View PostI was only referring to the Republican Primary, the general is a completely different matter. Evangelicals will likely hold their nose and vote, but it depends on how much they really hate Obama.
Who knows, maybe the world really will end in 2012.
By the way, I can't help but note the irony that the first shot of religious bigotry between the parties was Romney's. His "Obama doesn't want an America that is one nation under God" nonsense seems calibrated to build on the subtext that Obama is supposedly a Muslim.
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My sister and her husband moved to Idaho when she graduated, so there's 2 of those votes...Originally posted by YOhio View PostThis means there are six fewer Mormons in Iowa than in 2008. Sad."I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"
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It's to build on the record of Obama's administration for being openly hostile towards religion.Originally posted by calicoug View PostAh. True.
By the way, I can't help but note the irony that the first shot of religious bigotry between the parties was Romney's. His "Obama doesn't want an America that is one nation under God" nonsense seems calibrated to build on the subtext that Obama is supposedly a Muslim.
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Yeeaahhh, that's the ticket.Originally posted by calicoug View PostAh. True.
By the way, I can't help but note the irony that the first shot of religious bigotry between the parties was Romney's. His "Obama doesn't want an America that is one nation under God" nonsense seems calibrated to build on the subtext that Obama is supposedly a Muslim.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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