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Nice to see this in print finally, as it's what I've been saying for some time. Fracing (I refuse to accommodate since I'm an industry shill) cannot contaminate ground water. It is not only far too far away from the water table, if the pressures could reach the water table then the entire concept of fracing wouldn't work. Bad cement jobs, on the other hand, will completely put gas in water tables. Cementing is something done on all wells.Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.
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EPA determines that fracking did not pollute wells in rural PA.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...82F02H20120316"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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Does the process of fracking (come on, no one knows what Fray-Sing is) compromise well integrity (e.g. pumping millions of gallons of water at high pressure down a narrow pipe)? I wonder if we can make everyone happy by simply putting down more stringent completion requirements.Originally posted by nikuman View PostNice to see this in print finally, as it's what I've been saying for some time. Fracing (I refuse to accommodate since I'm an industry shill) cannot contaminate ground water. It is not only far too far away from the water table, if the pressures could reach the water table then the entire concept of fracing wouldn't work. Bad cement jobs, on the other hand, will completely put gas in water tables. Cementing is something done on all wells.
FWIW, the Texas RRC claims that it's requirements for completing a well are so stringent that there are no verified groundwater contamination incidents due to fracking. I find this hard to believe, but if TX's requirements are indeed more strict than other jurisdictions, then it gives everyone something to think about.Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.
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Great post. Your best ever.Originally posted by Jacob View PostWhere do you come up with the assumption that our supply of clean water is in danger, even if fracking contaminates it in the limited number of places where fracking occurs? Quite a leap.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
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Originally posted by landpoke View PostThe cement jobs are the key and closer oversight there would solve the problem. I don't have any stats to back this up, but I'd be willing to bet a large sum that the vast majority of the few problems that have occurred are due to a poor cement job.Please. The proper term is grouting.Originally posted by nikuman View PostBad cement jobs, on the other hand, will completely put gas in water tables. Cementing is something done on all wells.Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 03-22-2012, 09:42 PM."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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Good for the EPA! Bad for all of the people who swear that the EPA is just out to hurt industry. It sounds like a government program that worked the way it was supposed to work -- people complained about a serious problem, the EPA came in and did preliminary research that suggested one outcome, but upon closer examination, the problem proved to be caused by a different kind of industrial negligence. So the people's concerns are justified, the industry understands that it needs to do better grouting, or be significantly liable to local people, and the EPA demonstrates the validity of both its existence, and techniques.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostEPA determines that fracking did not pollute wells in rural PA.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...82F02H20120316
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Oilmen don't grout.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostPlease. The proper term is grouting."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Duh. I was mocking oil men."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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lol. Nice try, Robin. Unfortunately, the EPA is nothing like the calm, methodical, defenders of the environment you'd like to portray them as. Sometimes life imitates the onion, and every once in a while, well, it imitates Ghostbusters.Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostGood for the EPA! Bad for all of the people who swear that the EPA is just out to hurt industry. It sounds like a government program that worked the way it was supposed to work -- people complained about a serious problem, the EPA came in and did preliminary research that suggested one outcome, but upon closer examination, the problem proved to be caused by a different kind of industrial negligence. So the people's concerns are justified, the industry understands that it needs to do better grouting, or be significantly liable to local people, and the EPA demonstrates the validity of both its existence, and techniques.
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