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    I recently had dinner with a friend who's dad is in the NSA. At least according to him, his dad indicates that if you were to survey the NSA, CIA interrogators, 9 out of 10 would say that 'aggressive' interrogation techniques work.

    Why would a captive lie when eventually the lie would be identified and his life would get much, much worse that if he told the truth.

    Other stuff too......pretty savy on our intelligence community's part. But we'll leave it at that.

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    Hall, here is an interesting hypothetical. I would really like to hear your answer.

    Say you were married (I know, it is just a hypothetical) with children. Say your seven-year-old child somehow finds a gun with a light trigger pull, and you come home to find that he is pointing it at your wife's head while she is cooking (and distracted, so she doesn't know what is coming). Say this is a gun that you typically keep locked in a quick release safe, by your bed, so you know that the receiver has already been pulled back, and that there is a hollow point in the chamber. Your wife is about to get shot by your child.

    Q. Do you shoot your child, or do you let your underage child kill your wife?

    You should probably put some thought into questions like this. Killing a human isn't easy, so unless you have made the choice beforehand, and steeled your resolve, you may not be able to do what is necessary when the time comes. The responsibility of being a lawful gun owner is heavy, but I'm sure you are up to the task. I'm looking forward to your answer.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
      Hall, here is an interesting hypothetical. I would really like to hear your answer.

      Say you were married (I know, it is just a hypothetical) with children. Say your seven-year-old child somehow finds a gun with a light trigger pull, and you come home to find that he is pointing it at your wife's head while she is cooking (and distracted, so she doesn't know what is coming). Say this is a gun that you typically keep locked in a quick release safe, by your bed, so you know that the receiver has already been pulled back, and that there is a hollow point in the chamber. Your wife is about to get shot by your child.

      Q. Do you shoot your child, or do you let your underage child kill your wife?

      You should probably put some thought into questions like this. Killing a human isn't easy, so unless you have made the choice beforehand, and steeled your resolve, you may not be able to do what is necessary when the time comes. The responsibility of being a lawful gun owner is heavy, but I'm sure you are up to the task. I'm looking forward to your answer.
      Why would you have your receiver pulled back? It would be nice if your hypothetical was even close to reality. How did the 7 year old get into a quick release safe? Aren't they secured by some sort of combination that only the gun owner knows. Or does that 7 year old know that combo as well.

      And lastly, what does this have to do with interrogation techniques and how effective they are?

      Here's a hypothetical for you. Suppose an armed intruder comes into your home and wants to burgalize your house and asks you to tie up your family before he ties you up. And all you have in your possession is a remote control for you TV.

      Where do you come up with this crap? Where do you live?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
        Hall, here is an interesting hypothetical. I would really like to hear your answer.

        Say you were married (I know, it is just a hypothetical) with children. Say your seven-year-old child somehow finds a gun with a light trigger pull, and you come home to find that he is pointing it at your wife's head while she is cooking (and distracted, so she doesn't know what is coming). Say this is a gun that you typically keep locked in a quick release safe, by your bed, so you know that the receiver has already been pulled back, and that there is a hollow point in the chamber. Your wife is about to get shot by your child.

        Q. Do you shoot your child, or do you let your underage child kill your wife?

        You should probably put some thought into questions like this. Killing a human isn't easy, so unless you have made the choice beforehand, and steeled your resolve, you may not be able to do what is necessary when the time comes. The responsibility of being a lawful gun owner is heavy, but I'm sure you are up to the task. I'm looking forward to your answer.
        What's even worse is having to go to a family member's funeral because you weren't prepared for something that is happening more and more each day. And watching the perp's name and pic on TV and following his trial for 20 years.

        I think I would feel better shooting the perp if my life or my family's lives were threatened with death. Silly me.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hallelujah View Post
          Why would you have your receiver pulled back? It would be nice if your hypothetical was even close to reality. How did the 7 year old get into a quick release safe? Aren't they secured by some sort of combination that only the gun owner knows. Or does that 7 year old know that combo as well.
          In this hypothetical, you aren't positive how your child got into the safe, but you were installing a new tactical light the previous night, and you have a vague recollection that when you closed the safe, the safe door might have snagged on your bed spread, and might not have closed completely.

          You keep the receiver in the pulled position because you wouldn't want to give away your location to an intruder, who might hear the sound of you preparing your gun to be fired.

          So what would it be? Shoot the child or watch the child shoot your wife in the head?
          Last edited by RobinFinderson; 03-18-2009, 04:51 PM.

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          • #6
            I'd need more information. What is she cooking?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
              I'd need more information. What is she cooking?
              Tabbouleh salad. She just became a vegetarian and is insisting you come along for the ride.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                Tabbouleh salad. She just became a vegetarian and is insisting you come along for the ride.
                Then I'm waiting to find out if the kid is a good shot.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                  Then I'm waiting to find out if the kid is a good shot.
                  But if you shoot the child, who is below the age of accountibility, he will go straight to the celestial kingdom. But if your wife dies an unrepentant vegetarian, there is no telling where she will end up. Outer darkness is full of vegetarians.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                    Hall, here is an interesting hypothetical. I would really like to hear your answer.

                    Say you were married (I know, it is just a hypothetical) with children. Say your seven-year-old child somehow finds a gun with a light trigger pull, and you come home to find that he is pointing it at your wife's head while she is cooking (and distracted, so she doesn't know what is coming). Say this is a gun that you typically keep locked in a quick release safe, by your bed, so you know that the receiver has already been pulled back, and that there is a hollow point in the chamber. Your wife is about to get shot by your child.

                    Q. Do you shoot your child, or do you let your underage child kill your wife?

                    You should probably put some thought into questions like this. Killing a human isn't easy, so unless you have made the choice beforehand, and steeled your resolve, you may not be able to do what is necessary when the time comes. The responsibility of being a lawful gun owner is heavy, but I'm sure you are up to the task. I'm looking forward to your answer.
                    Something must be wrong with the CUF interface today.

                    I can't seem to find the interesting hypothetical to which you referred. Maybe it was cut off at the end?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                      Something must be wrong with the CUF interface today.

                      I can't seem to find the interesting hypothetical to which you referred. Maybe it was cut off at the end?
                      It is only an interesting hypothetical for people who take seriously the burden and personal sacrifice of protecting the public with personal fire arms. Such people need to prepare themselves for any circumstances where they may need to draw a weapon on another human being. Hypothetical situations are the tools by which these public servants prepare themselves to protect the slackers.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hallelujah View Post
                        Why would you have your receiver pulled back? It would be nice if your hypothetical was even close to reality. How did the 7 year old get into a quick release safe? Aren't they secured by some sort of combination that only the gun owner knows. Or does that 7 year old know that combo as well.

                        And lastly, what does this have to do with interrogation techniques and how effective they are?

                        Here's a hypothetical for you. Suppose an armed intruder comes into your home and wants to burgalize your house and asks you to tie up your family before he ties you up. And all you have in your possession is a remote control for you TV.

                        Where do you come up with this crap? Where do you live?
                        During the time that you were asking those questions, your child shot your wife in the head. Sorry.
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                        • #13
                          Here's a hypothetical situation:

                          A liberal and a conservative are standing next to each other. Which one do you shoot with your AK47?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                            Hall, here is an interesting hypothetical. I would really like to hear your answer.

                            Say you were married (I know, it is just a hypothetical) with children. Say your seven-year-old child somehow finds a gun with a light trigger pull, and you come home to find that he is pointing it at your wife's head while she is cooking (and distracted, so she doesn't know what is coming). Say this is a gun that you typically keep locked in a quick release safe, by your bed, so you know that the receiver has already been pulled back, and that there is a hollow point in the chamber. Your wife is about to get shot by your child.

                            Q. Do you shoot your child, or do you let your underage child kill your wife?

                            You should probably put some thought into questions like this. Killing a human isn't easy, so unless you have made the choice beforehand, and steeled your resolve, you may not be able to do what is necessary when the time comes. The responsibility of being a lawful gun owner is heavy, but I'm sure you are up to the task. I'm looking forward to your answer.
                            What are you armed with to shoot your son? Presumably I would have to draw some other weapon being carried on my person?

                            I would probably say quietly, but forcefully: "Little Billy, look at me. Put the gun down or you are going in time out." That should do the trick.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                              It is only an interesting hypothetical for people who take seriously the burden and personal sacrifice of protecting the public with personal fire arms. Such people need to prepare themselves for any circumstances where they may need to draw a weapon on another human being. Hypothetical situations are the tools by which these public servants prepare themselves to protect the slackers.
                              A few options for this hypo:

                              1. Do not intervene at all. Either the wife or the child will die, but as the surviving roommate, you will be given straight A's that semester

                              2. A Mexican Standoff, wherein you, the wife, and the child all have guns pointed at each other, waiting for the first person to flinch. Eventually, you shoot the kid, then the wife shoots you for shooting the kid. The wife numbs her pain by doing some coke and then she runs off with Vincent Vega.

                              3. Intervene, shooting your son in the leg, thereby removing him from the equation.
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