Oslo Bombing

[Maximus]

muslim groups may have taken credit, but no firms news on who the shooter was. but there is this:

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7723548


which says:

he was very right-wing, didn't think people from different cultures could live together, was a freemason, had 2 guns registered in his name, had posted on a local anti-Islam website and set up twitter account last week where only post read "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests"

[RobinFinderson]

I guess mentioning this is the same as shitting on people's civil rights. Hate speech and all...

Just to be clear, I don't think you've been shitting on anything in this thread.

It is a terrible tragedy.

[DU Ute]

according to KSL, death toll now at 87: 7 from the bombing and 80 kids at the youth camp. Both targeting the PM and his party (youth camp was sponsored by the PM's political party). And according to the NYT, muslims are taking credit.

Apparently a muslim cleric was pissed that they were actually going to deport him for preaching venomous hate (HOW DARE THEY!?!?). He said earlier this week that if the pesky Norse continued, Allah would have his retribution.

Apparently he wasn't kidding.

I guess mentioning this is the same as shitting on people's civil rights. Hate speech and all...

Maybe you should wait for a little more information before getting snitty about Muslims. I know you're really hoping they've to blame, but try to keep your happiness in check.

[Viking]

Sounds like this actually came from the far right in Norway, not Muslims. I was always more afraid of Dick Cheney than Osama

[DU Ute]

... and they're now saying it was a single perpetrator with no ties to Islam. Sorry to disappoint you, statman.

[DU Ute]

Sounds like this actually came from the far right in Norway, not Muslims. I was always more afraid of Dick Cheney than Osama

Yeah, it's easy to target Muslims, but it's the nut jobs like the dude in my avatar pic you really need to worry about.

[byu71]

I just can't phathom a mind that can do such a senseless thing. To take any life is horrible, but children at a camp.

I assume this is a country without the death penalty. I wonder if they have a rule against putting the person or persons resposible into a cell and leave them there with bread and water for meals.

How sad.

[Viking]

Sadly, my mother--who is basically a fascist (aka, a Utah Republican)--immediately seized upon the opportunity to rail on the muslims and shariah law.

The gun-toting right are the scary people in America, who are so stupid, they willingly give up personal freedom in the name of cause (note: Patriot Act). Morons.

[byu71]

Sadly, my mother--who is basically a fascist (aka, a Utah Republican)--immediately seized upon the opportunity to rail on the muslims and shariah law.

The gun-toting right are the scary people in America, who are so stupid, they willingly give up personal freedom in the name of cause (note: Patriot Act). Morons.

Sure you aren't comparing right wing extemists who blow up buildings and kill people with those who supported the patriot act?

[wuapinmon]

If there really are muslim sleeper cells in the US, there's absolutely nothing stopping similar events here (I know I'm racist for assuming these guys are muslim). REAL terror would be caused by a relatively small number of more or less random attacks happening every few days at schools, malls, non-government office buildings, quiet neighborhoods, etc. These would be essentially impossible to stop.

Remember the utter chaos caused by the DC sniper? Imagine that, but with a few DC snipers in each major metro area of the US -a couple random killings in the country each day. As one gunman is caught, another from the cell takes over. A cell of 10 - 15 terrorists could drag out their reign of terror for a LONG time. There would be chaos. And Political Correctness would make everything worse. You'd have neighborhood militias forming to take matters into their own hands.

I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened...

Political Correctness would make "everything worse." The tacit implication in statman's statement is that the authorities would be hampered from racial profiling due to political correctness. He views that as being an impediment to stopping the sleeper cells from creating chaos that he's surprised hasn't happened yet. However, what he calls political correctness making everything worse is the very same thing as trampling on the civil rights of hundreds of thousands of Muslim Americans (many who were born here, and whose parents were too), not to mention anyone who "looks Muslim" according to a pre-conceived notion of Muslimness (e.g., turbaned sikhs) who could be stopped, detained, questioned, arrested, and imprisoned simply for their accent, or their faith, or their religion. Don't believe me?

This man lived in my neighborhood in New Orleans. Read Dave Eggers telling of his nightmare, just because he was Muslim in the wrong place.

How did you get that from his comment, Great Banana of the South?

See my answer above. I'm not overly-sensitive. Statman's rhetoric makes my skin crawl because he probably thinks it's reasonable what he's saying, yet I would venture that he complains loudly about being searched at the airport even though his not-Otherness is on display.

wuap is one of those Born Again Liberals. He thinks he needs to find something offensive in anything a conservative says.

Especially when you say it, Il Padrino Jingo.

I guess mentioning this is the same as shitting on people's civil rights. Hate speech and all...

Do you need some toe floss?

[DU Ute]

Political Correctness would make "everything worse." The tacit implication in statman's statement is that the authorities would be hampered from racial profiling due to political correctness. He views that as being an impediment to stopping the sleeper cells from creating chaos that he's surprised hasn't happened yet. However, what he calls political correctness is the very same thing as trampling on the civil rights of hundreds of thousands of Muslim Americans (many who were born here, and whose parents were too), not to mention anyone who "looks Muslim" according to a pre-conceived notion of Muslimness (e.g., turbaned sikhs) who could be stopped, detained, questioned, arrested, and imprisoned simply for their accent, or their faith, or their religion. Don't believe me?

Come on, wuap. Just think of how much quicker they would have caught this guy, possibly even preventing this tragedy, if it weren't for political correctness.

[RobinFinderson]

Damn! That is one really good looking terrorist.

[wuapinmon]

Come on, wuap. Just think of how much quicker they would have caught this guy, possibly even preventing this tragedy, if it weren't for political correctness.

Allah loves wondrous variety, Christian.

[il Padrino Ute]

Sadly, my mother--who is basically a fascist (aka, a Utah Republican)--immediately seized upon the opportunity to rail on the muslims and shariah law.

The gun-toting right are the scary people in America, who are so stupid, they willingly give up personal freedom in the name of cause (note: Patriot Act). Morons.

I am a gun-toting right winger. I hate the Patriot Act. Perhaps you should not be so stupid as to sterotype others.

[Babs]

Yeah, it's easy to target Muslims, but it's the nut jobs like the dude in my avatar pic you really need to worry about.

Do you remember the day of the Oklahoma City bombing, when they started arresting all these random vaguely-Middle-Eastern looking men? And then it turned out it was the kid next door who did it? I will never for get the look on one guy's face as he was being handcuffed and thrown in to a cop car for a crime he had nothing to do with. I think he lost all faith in America that day. (OTOH, I think he ended up winning a handsome settlement, so perhaps his faith was restored.)