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  • Jeremiah Wright is fantastic! (A thread for Robin)

    Let's start w/ a few of his greatest hits.

    He hates America:
    "God didn't call American to do what she's doing in the world now. God didn't call America to engage in a senseless, unjust war... And we are criminals in that war. We have committed more war crimes almost than any other nation in the world and we won't stop because of our pride, our arrogance as a nation." (About Iraq).

    He REALLY hates America - and alleges that our military is just a means of propping up our economic system:
    "A nation that will keep people in slavery for 244 years [will]... exploit them, and poor people generally, economically. And a nation that will exploit economically will have to have foreign investments and everything else, and will have to use its military might to protect [those investments]. All of these problems are tied together"

    He hates America so bad he thinks it's his worst enemy:
    "I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the [inner cities] without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government."

    He thinks that property rights and profit motives are somehow in conflict with human values:
    "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin... the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered."

    He tries on a little equivalence bt the attacks on 9/11 and bombing Japan in WWII:
    “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”

    He makes 9/11 into a black-white racial moment in which "White America" got a bit of comeuppance:
    “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

    Finally - God Damn America:
    “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”


    Robin you're FOS when you say that Wright is just like all the other black preachers. I've been to a few black congregations and I've never heard any of the bullshit we know Wright has said. Which isn't to say there aren't plenty more like him, but stop pretending that his virulent anti-Americanism and hateful anti-Semitic crap is the norm.
    Last edited by oxcoug; 07-15-2011, 05:21 AM.
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    Your first three paragraphs are weak examples of craziness and hate. What you posted is standard college campus political rhetoric. Many Americans are and were strongly opposed to the Iraq war and feel that the US engages in nation building.

    I don't see how the fourth paragraph is notable as craziness.

    The fifth paragraph is a fair point about the destruction we inflicted in Japan. Not saying I am opposed to dropping the bombs, but without greater context, you quote you provided isn't exemplary of hate or craziness.

    9/11 as racist come uppance I think is the closest you will get to craziness.

    GD America seems more like Malcolm X socio-political jargon than anything else. People have a right to criticize America, doesn't mean they hate it.

    I agree with you that wright is a nut, I just think you picked lousy examples.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
      Your first three paragraphs are weak examples of craziness and hate. What you posted is standard college campus political rhetoric. Many Americans are and were strongly opposed to the Iraq war and feel that the US engages in nation building.
      You keep saying "craziness" which isn't actually a word I used. Be that as it may.....also it's one thing to be "strongly opposed" and something entirely different to accuse Americans of being criminals and to essentially say that we deserved 9/11.

      The first paragraph:
      Declaring America/Americans are "criminals" and that we "won't stop because of our pride and arrogance" are really only views you could hold if you start with hostile view of America, American motivations and American foreign policy.

      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
      What you posted is standard college campus political rhetoric.
      Exactly. That's the problem - it's hothouse poser agitator college bullshit, it is not rhetoric suitable for a guy that the POTUS points to as a spiritual mentor, initially selects to pray for the nation at his inauguration, and from whom he borrowed the title of his signature campaign book.

      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post

      I don't see how the fourth paragraph is notable as craziness.
      Again, I didn't use the word "craziness" - it could just as easily be ideologically driven ignorance. Either way, it's incredibly stupid stuff - profit motives and property rights have been the engines of human progress. No country w/o reasonably free markets and secure property rights has ever taken the lead in cleaning the environment or in advancing human rights.


      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
      The fifth paragraph is a fair point about the destruction we inflicted in Japan. Not saying I am opposed to dropping the bombs, but without greater context, you quote you provided isn't exemplary of hate or craziness.
      How is it a "fair point"? - the case has been persuasively made that on net our bombing of Japan saved lives and months of devastation. Our bombing of Japan followed years of warfare that they started and that they brought to our borders and in which tens of thousands of American lives had already been lost - the suggestion of a meaningful equivalence between 9/11 and our bombing of Japan is offensive.

      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post

      GD America seems more like Malcolm X socio-political jargon than anything else. People have a right to criticize America, doesn't mean they hate it.
      Hah hah whatever DDD, that's damn amusing. Where is the "criticism" in this? I see slander. I see a call for the Almighty to bring damnation on America. I see an assertion that America doesn't deserve blessings. But I don't see an actual "criticism" as I understand the word. You can't seriously believe that Wright doesn't hate America - at least America as most people in the world understand it. He might not hate his part of America, his neighborhood, his congregation or his vision of a future America - but he hates America.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
        Many Americans are and were strongly opposed to the Iraq war and feel that the US engages in nation building.
        This really depends on when you asked them. For example, in 2003 "a Gallup poll made on behalf of CNN and the newspaper USA Today concluded that 79% of Americans thought the Iraq War was justified, with or without conclusive evidence of illegal weapons" including our current secretary of state. At that time there were some Americans like Ron Paul that were strongly opposed to the Iraq war and thought the US should not be a nation builder.

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        • #5
          Ox. I'm not sure what you mean by 'hate' and 'America.' It could be that I totally agree with you that Wright hates America. But there are definitely many reasonable definitions of both 'hate' and 'America' by which he doesn't hate America.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
            I agree with you that wright is a nut, I just think you picked lousy examples.
            This
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            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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            • #7
              Wright says he was offered hush money in 2008.

              Man, the media ate me alive,” Wright told me when we met in his office at Chicago’s Kwame Nkrumah Academy. “After the media went ballistic on me, I received an e-mail offering me money not to preach at all until the November presidential election.”

              “Who sent the e-mail?” I asked Wright.

              “It was from one of Barack’s closest friends.”

              “He offered you money?”

              “Not directly,” Wright said. “He sent the offer to one of the members of the church, who sent it to me.”

              “How much money did he offer you?”

              “One hundred and fifty thousand dollars,” Wright said.
              http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...ntent=National

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SCcoug View Post
                Wright says he was offered hush money in 2008.



                http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...ntent=National
                Ha! Maybe Mitt can do the same thing to BKP.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SCcoug View Post
                  Wright says he was offered hush money in 2008.



                  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...ntent=National
                  Hush money sounds like a good idea. Republicans were getting a lot of millage out of Wright. I really liked Wright, and I think that his portrayal by the right-wing media was incredibly unfair, but he was definitely a political liability. Sounds like team Obama was running a professional campaign... the same kind that would feed a story about Mitt-the-HS-bully to a major newspaper, and see the guy apologize for multiple yet-to-be-discovered acts of brutality in the same week that he reemphasizes his stance against gay marriage (bully before, bully today). What does Mitt have on Obama? 'The economy' is only going to take Mitt so far, but it will not win him the election. He is going to have to be the more likable of the two, and so far, that has been difficult for Mitt.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                    Hush money sounds like a good idea. Republicans were getting a lot of millage out of Wright. I really liked Wright, and I think that his portrayal by the right-wing media was incredibly unfair, but he was definitely a political liability. Sounds like team Obama was running a professional campaign... the same kind that would feed a story about Mitt-the-HS-bully to a major newspaper, and see the guy apologize for multiple yet-to-be-discovered acts of brutality in the same week that he reemphasizes his stance against gay marriage (bully before, bully today). What does Mitt have on Obama? 'The economy' is only going to take Mitt so far, but it will not win him the election. He is going to have to be the more likable of the two, and so far, that has been difficult for Mitt.
                    brutality? Who cares about jobs and the economy if Romney was a bully 50 years ago.

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