How do CUFfers in the Mexico border states feel about this?

[il Padrino Ute]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...exclusive.html

What part of the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed does Obama not understand?

[TripletDaddy]

This seems like a better question to ask President Obama directly.

[wuapinmon]

I'd say that having to report the purchases, while not prohibiting them, isn't truly infringing on the right to keep and bear them.

However, I do not support restrictions on the right to buy them, unless you're a convicted felon who used a weapon in the commission of your crime.

[Moliere]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...exclusive.html

What part of the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed does Obama not understand?

Sounds like he's trying to make it easier for law abiding citizens to get handguns while at the same time cracking down on straw buying. No issues from me, of course I'm not a gun owner and likely will never be.

[Tim]

Sounds like he's trying to make it easier for law abiding citizens to get handguns while at the same time cracking down on straw buying. No issues from me, of course I'm not a gun owner and likely will never be.

IPU is afraid of background checks. Maybe he has something to hide!

[Uncle Ted]

I have nothing to hide. For example, to get a CHL in Texas I had to give finger prints to the FBI and the state. The "bad guys" most likely wouldn't bother doing this. IMHO, a CHL is a good way to tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys".

Of course, I don't see this doing a lot for guns going into mexico. First, less than 20% of the guns in mexico at crime scenes have been traced back to the USA. Second, if they want to reduce the gun flow into mexico then maybe they should stop them at the border rather than letting the intentionally go across and be used to kill our border agents...

Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.
He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.

Investigators call the tactic letting guns "walk." In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States.

Dodson's bosses say that never happened. Now, he's risking his job to go public.

"I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we've been doing it every day since I've been here," he said. "Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn't happen."

Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

ATF named the case "Fast and Furious."

[...]

On Dec. 14, 2010, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down. Dodson got the bad news from a colleague.

According to Dodson, "They said, 'Did you hear about the border patrol agent?' And I said, 'Yeah.' And they said 'Well it was one of the Fast and Furious guns.' There's not really much you can say after that."

Two assault rifles ATF had let go nearly a year before were found at Terry's murder.

Dodson said, "I felt guilty. I mean it's crushing. I don't know how to explain it."

Sen. Grassley began investigating after his office spoke to Dodson and a dozen other ATF sources -- all telling the same story.

[taekwondave]

I'd say that having to report the purchases, while not prohibiting them, isn't truly infringing on the right to keep and bear them.

However, I do not support restrictions on the right to buy them, unless you're a convicted felon who used a weapon in the commission of your crime.

This is interesting to me. Why shouldn't a convicted felon who has served his time and been released from jail be able to carry that means of protection? If you commit a crime by lying in a courtroom and serve time for it should you no longer have the right to speak/remain silent once you get out?

A right is a right to all currently law-abiding citizens, if you ask me. When you break a law you have certain freedoms taken away for a time, but once that time is up, why shouldn't you regain normal standing with the rest of us?

[il Padrino Ute]

IPU is afraid of background checks. Maybe he has something to hide!

I certainly don't want the feds knowing about the speeding ticket I got about 25 years ago.

I just don't like having to jump through all the hoops to buy a gun just because there are wusses who think guns are evil.

[Uncle Ted]

I have nothing to hide. For example, to get a CHL in Texas I had to give finger prints to the FBI and the state. The "bad guys" most likely wouldn't bother doing this. IMHO, a CHL is a good way to tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys".

Of course, I don't see this doing a lot for guns going into mexico. First, less than 20% of the guns in mexico at crime scenes have been traced back to the USA. Second, if they want to reduce the gun flow into mexico then maybe they should stop them at the border rather than letting the intentionally go across and be used to kill our border agents...

WTF! Our border agents are armed with BEAN-BAG GUNS?!?

After 18 months of stonewalling, hem-hawing, national headlines and a contempt charge for Attorney General Eric Holder, the U.S. government finally unsealed its grand jury indictment case against those involved with the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry today.

Little new information was revealed, but the Department of Justice (DOJ) provided media with confirmation that Border Patrol agents, using guns that fired bean-bags, not bullets, were used stop a dangerous, well-armed rip crew outfitted with U.S. Operation “Fast and Furious” AK-47s.

The botched Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) gunwalking program allowed more than 2,000 firearms to “walk” across the U.S./Mexican border into the hands of ruthless drug cartels. Not only did a Fast and Furious gun kill agent Terry, but also there have been numerous reports that tie the failed ATF program to murdered ICE Agent Jamie Zapata. Also, Mexican law enforcement officials have said hundreds of their citizens have been murdered with Fast and Furious guns.

[Paperback Writer]

For clarity, it should be understood that the ATF Fast and Furious operation did not put guns in the hands of criminals. Rather, ATF documented gun sale activity already taking place. The lesson to be learned is that federal prosecutors did not act upon the findings of the ATF investigation. The lawyers wanted better evidence like recordings from wiretaps that proved difficult to obtain. It wasn't until after Border Patrol Agent Terry was killed by a gun documented by the Fast and Furious effort that federal prosecutors took action.

At issue is the Arizona gun selling laws and the difficulty of prosection. As I understand it, a gun buyer has to pass a background check and state that the gun purchase is for individual use. There is not a law about changing one's mind and later reselling the gun. That leads to straw buyers acquiring weapons for Mexican drug cartels. It is also difficult to prosecute as the straw buyers legally purchased the guns by passing the background check and answering the perfunctory questions. On the other hand, one fast and furious gun buyer was able to purchase hundreds of thousands of dollars of guns while under ATF surveillance...and being on welfare! ATF wanted to arrest the guy but federal prosecutors wouldn't commit to his prosecution.

The end result of fast and furious is that Agent Terry would still be dead. Because of fast and furious, they know how the assult rifles at the crime scene were obtained. And even if ATF were free to interdict the guns being sold to straw buyers, they probably wouldn't have intercepted the assult rifles used to murder Agent Terry. The sale occurred just prior to a Holiday weekend and the transaction wasn't recorded by ATF until they were "back in the office".

[Uncle Ted]

For clarity, it should be understood that the ATF Fast and Furious operation did not put guns in the hands of criminals. Rather, ATF documented gun sale activity already taking place. The lesson to be learned is that federal prosecutors did not act upon the findings of the ATF investigation. The lawyers wanted better evidence like recordings from wiretaps that proved difficult to obtain. It wasn't until after Border Patrol Agent Terry was killed by a gun documented by the Fast and Furious effort that federal prosecutors took action.

At issue is the Arizona gun selling laws and the difficulty of prosection. As I understand it, a gun buyer has to pass a background check and state that the gun purchase is for individual use. There is not a law about changing one's mind and later reselling the gun. That leads to straw buyers acquiring weapons for Mexican drug cartels. It is also difficult to prosecute as the straw buyers legally purchased the guns by passing the background check and answering the perfunctory questions. On the other hand, one fast and furious gun buyer was able to purchase hundreds of thousands of dollars of guns while under ATF surveillance...and being on welfare! ATF wanted to arrest the guy but federal prosecutors wouldn't commit to his prosecution.

The end result of fast and furious is that Agent Terry would still be dead. Because of fast and furious, they know how the assult rifles at the crime scene were obtained. And even if ATF were free to interdict the guns being sold to straw buyers, they probably wouldn't have intercepted the assult rifles used to murder Agent Terry. The sale occurred just prior to a Holiday weekend and the transaction wasn't recorded by ATF until they were "back in the office".

Your explanation seems somewhat reasonable for the "fast and furious" gun screw up. It does make me wonder if you have been talking to a family member or friend that works for the DoJ/ATF, however. (Note to the bad guys: the best time to buy guns is during a holiday weekend.)

BTW, the next time you talk to your family member/friend ask about the beanbag gun stuff. In every scenario I can possibly imagine I can't see how boarder agents armed with a beanbag guns can beat the bad guys armed with AK-47's.