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    The Orrin Hatch re-election thread

    I am fascinated that Utah Republicans may actually throw Orrin Hatch -- Orrin Hatch! -- out of the U.S. Senate for not being conservative enough. I'd like to know what others -- particularly in Utah, where they can follow the local gestalt surrounding this saga -- think about this.

    [T]he poll’s value is somewhat limited by the fact that it only reached Utah residents. Utah chooses its party nominees through state conventions, so Hatch’s standing among the general public is somewhat irrelevant. But he is not going to get caught napping like Bennett though. The Deseret News reports that Hatch is “getting supporters elected as delegates next spring to the 2012 state Republican Party nominating convention.”

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...#ixzz1PwdoUq2x
    Here's what I am wondering: Will Utah Repubs stand by again while Tea Party types use the caucus process to take over the State Convention? In Bob Bennett's case, polls showed that he would have been re-nominated if he had been allowed to be on the ballot. Maybe Hatch's case is different. Just wondering if thre's going to be a Tea-Party "wired" convention this time or a broader battle.
    Last edited by LA Ute; 06-21-2011, 01:52 PM.
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    Wow, you really must hate YOhio to do this to him.
    "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
    The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
      I am fascinated that Utah Republicans may actually throw Orrin Hatch -- Orrin Hatch! -- out of the U.S. Senate for not being conservative enough. I'd like to know what others -- particularly in Utah, where they can follow the local gestalt surrounding this saga -- think about this.


      Here's what I am wondering: Will Utah Repubs stand by again while Tea Party types use the caucus process to take over the State Convention? In Bob Bennett's case, polls showed that he would have been re-nominated if he had been allowed to be on the ballot. Maybe Hatch's case is different. Just wondering if thre's going to be a Tea-Party "wired" convention this time or a broader battle.

      Unfortunately yes. I am not going to the convention. I am an old man and you know how older people go off without any sensitivity. I can see myself yelling F-you to Gail Rudzika and telling the new Senator to stick it where the sun don't shine. If Hannity and Beck show up I might moon them.

      I am afraid as usual those like me will sit home on our butts and complain when the adctivists wacko's take control again.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
        Wow, you really must hate YOhio to do this to him.
        YO knows I don't hate him. Great disdain is not the same as hatred.
        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
        ― W.H. Auden

        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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        • #5
          How funny will it be if the Tea Party is successful at removing both Bennett and Hatch while also getting Harry Reid reelected. Nice work, Tea Party!
          Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

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          • #6
            I want to move back to Utah just to vote against Hatch.

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            • #7
              Word is hatch is better organized and has bought off a bunch of tea partiers
              At convention half the delegates gave him a standing o
              Last edited by frank ryan; 06-21-2011, 03:13 PM.

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              • #8
                I don't know that it's a matter of Hatch not being "conservative enough." It's more a matter of his being an "insider," having lost touch, having presided over everything that has happened, having walked lock-step with Bush, etc. He is more conservative than Bennett was, and until he is re-elected, he'll be more of a tea-party conservative than about anybody.

                I still want a change. 34 years is about 20 too long.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                  I don't know that it's a matter of Hatch not being "conservative enough." It's more a matter of his being an "insider," having lost touch, having presided over everything that has happened, having walked lock-step with Bush, etc. He is more conservative than Bennett was, and until he is re-elected, he'll be more of a tea-party conservative than about anybody.

                  I still want a change. 34 years is about 20 too long.
                  That is what my in-laws say. I must admit that for a guy who's 77 to want to be in the Senate for 6 more years is hard to for me to understand. I mean, when's he going go write his memoirs and donate his papers to the U of U?
                  “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                  ― W.H. Auden

                  "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                  -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                  "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                  --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                  • #10
                    The biggest problem with Orrin is that he's a hypocrite:

                    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...s-him-out.html
                    Orrin Hatch in 1976 while campaigning against longtime incumbent Frank Moss said, "What do you call a senator who's served in office for 18 years? You call him home."
                    Now he's been in there 35 years or whatever ridiculous number it is.

                    I generally dislike his positions on technology issues - he's squarely in the pockets of big media industry groups such as the RIAA and MPAA who are trying to protect their dinosaur business models.

                    I also greatly dislike the "pass health care for Teddy" attitude that he expressed:

                    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4892654.shtml

                    But, in fact, further conversations with Hatch and health care advocates on the Hill and beyond have suggested a very personal, profound reason why Hatch may be throwing his powerful weight behind "Socialized Health Care": his decades-long friendship with Ted Kennedy, the ailing patriarch of the universal health care movement. "I would like to do [health care reform] as a legacy issue for [Kennedy], if I can--this would mean a lot to him," Hatch told me.

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                    • #11
                      I'm not going to the convention, but I will be hoping that Hatch is tossed out because he's been there too long. Like every other career politician, he is part of the problem. Nothing will ever change until the people send the strong message that the politicians work for us, not for their own reelection.
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                      • #12
                        Republicans that vote against Hatch are voting for Olympia Snowe as either the Ranking Member or Chairwoman of the Senate Finance Committee. They get what they deserve, I guess.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                          Republicans that vote against Hatch are voting for Olympia Snowe as either the Ranking Member or Chairwoman of the Senate Finance Committee. They get what they deserve, I guess.
                          That's a pretty convoluted way of looking at things.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                            That's a pretty convoluted way of looking at things.
                            National consequences of a vote for statewide offices are legitimate considerations.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden

                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                              National consequences of a vote for statewide offices are legitimate considerations.
                              Don't ever agree with me again. How embarrassing for me.

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