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    With less than a year away from the Utah GOP nominating convention, this baby is starting to heat up on all sides. Today a poll released showed Matheson and Hatch deadlocked at 47% in a hypothetical race. This assumes a lot, most importantly that Hatch will receive the party nomination. Though there has yet to be an official challenge mounted, rumors abound. The two names most often mentioned are Rep. Chaffetz and Dan Liljenquist.

    Chaffetz is in his second term in Congress and has shown himself to be quite adept at playing the press. As for legislative accomplishment, he's so fresh in his congressional career that it's hard to make sound judgment. Though it doesn't speak well of him that he is best known for sleeping on a cot and leg-wrestling Steven Colbert than for any policy positions.

    Liljenquist is an up and coming Senator in the Utah State Senate. A member of the well-known Idaho Falls Liljenquist clan, he has around 16 or 17 siblings. Though he's only 37, he has had quite a successful career thus far. Chicago Law, Bain, ACS, and CEO of Focus Communications. Elected in 2008 he's only been a face on the Utah political scene for a few years, but has become well-known for his efforts to reform the public employee pension program and state hiring practices.

    And then we have OGH. Elected in 1976, he's in line to become the Finance Committee chairman if the GOP wrests control from the Dems. If Lugar loses his re-election in Indiana, he would also become President Pro-Temp (a position with little real power). He is and has been one of the most influential players in DC, but there is much unrest at home. Many Utahns have been caught up in the anti-incumbent fervor and seek to dispatch him, stat.

    This would leave the state with two freshman senators, a situation not seen since he served with Jake Garn. In this case it could potentially put the state in a much worse position. Consider the following: Jim Matheson is the most senior member of Utah's three rep delegation, having been elected in 2000. Rob Bishop is second, having been elected in 2002. Utah will also be receiving a new congressional seat as a result of the recent census (Thanks, FM & DDD!). If Matheson and Chaffetz both run for the Senate seat and one of them wins, that would make Bishop the only returning member of the Utah congressional delegation. Two freshmen senators and three freshman representatives. It would be a rough decade for those Utahns who are used to strong DC support.

    As a strong OGH supporter, I'm sure I'll be pissed off more than once in the next year and will likely curse the Eagle Forum/Tea Party types. Still though, it will be fun to watch. I think if he can get past the convention, it will be relatively smooth sailing from there. But that convention is going to be a real bitch.

  • #2
    Originally posted by YOhio View Post
    As a strong OGH supporter, I'm sure I'll be pissed off more than once in the next year and will likely curse the Eagle Forum/Tea Party types. Still though, it will be fun to watch. I think if he can get past the convention, it will be relatively smooth sailing from there. But that convention is going to be a real bitch.
    As one whipped up in an anti-incumbent fervor, I'm sure I'll be ticked off when Hatch losses at convention but mounts a campaign in the primary vs Chaffetz and L-quist.

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    • #3
      Utah could use a senator that is a little more clueful about computers and fair use, IMHO...

      "No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to disrupt music downloads. One technique deliberately downloads pirated material very slowly so other users can't.

      "I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."
      Also, it may be nice to have a senator that would push for something like a Fry's in Utah Valley instead more MLM companies. I feel like I am visiting a 3rd world country sometimes when in Utah county just because of the lack of decent computer stores.
      "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
      "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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      • #4
        If the right wing republicans push another one of their guys through, I will do the unthinkable and re-register as an Independent.

        I have talked with a lot of Republican friends and we are sick and tired of the ultra conservatives in this State.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by byu71 View Post
          If the right wing republicans push another one of their guys through, I will do the unthinkable and re-register as an Independent.

          I have talked with a lot of Republican friends and we are sick and tired of the ultra conservatives in this State.
          That'll show 'em! Especially if you don't vote democrat!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by YOhio View Post
            Liljenquist is an up and coming Senator in the Utah State Senate. A member of the well-known Idaho Falls Liljenquist clan, he has around 16 or 17 siblings. Though he's only 37, he has had quite a successful career thus far. Chicago Law, Bain, ACS, and CEO of Focus Communications. Elected in 2008 he's only been a face on the Utah political scene for a few years, but has become well-known for his efforts to reform the public employee pension program and state hiring practices.
            though he has some positions with which i strongly disagree (this, for example), liljenquist is a well spoken, thoughtful guy. ogh is a pretty hefty political asset to utah, and that doofus chaffetz getting the nod over him would be unfortunate. but liljenquist is a good second option.
            Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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            • #7
              Why don't you like that change to the statute? It equalizes the shareholder to the position of a member of an LLC in that regard, which I think is a good thing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                That'll show 'em! Especially if you don't vote democrat!
                Nobody gives a crap about my one vote. If I gave that impression, I am sorry.

                I thought I mentioned I do have friends who have the same general feelings as I do. If we do, I will bet there are others that do too.

                If it is another far right type who beats out Hatch and runs against Matheson, perhaps we would vote for the democrat.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                  Nobody gives a crap about my one vote. If I gave that impression, I am sorry.

                  I thought I mentioned I do have friends who have the same general feelings as I do. If we do, I will bet there are others that do too.

                  If it is another far right type who beats out Hatch and runs against Matheson, perhaps we would vote for the democrat.
                  Isn't Hatch a "far right" guy? Why do you like him so much?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                    Why don't you like that change to the statute? It equalizes the shareholder to the position of a member of an LLC in that regard, which I think is a good thing.
                    because it makes a minority position in a closely held corporation worthless, and effectively legalizes freeze out mergers (among tons of other abuses). doesn't affect everyone, but it does affect those who don't have preincorporation covenants.
                    Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                      As a strong OGH supporter, I'm sure I'll be pissed off more than once in the next year and will likely curse the Eagle Forum/Tea Party types. Still though, it will be fun to watch. I think if he can get past the convention, it will be relatively smooth sailing from there. But that convention is going to be a real bitch.
                      I'm not that strong of an OGH supporter (unless you mean his collaborations with Janice Kapp-Perry), but I will happily join with you in cursing the Eagle Forum types.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                        Isn't Hatch a "far right" guy? Why do you like him so much?
                        I enjoy a good civil discussion on these things as long as someone doesn't put words in my mouth, so to speak. I don't think I ever said "I like him so much". I would think you would have interpreted what I said as, "I don't like the far right folks (politically) so much.

                        That being said, until the system changes, I do like the power Hatch has if the Repubs. get the Senate. I like his softer stance on gays and undocumenteds vs the right wingers stance. Gail Rudzika without my saying anything nasty, reminds me of Anthony Weiner, as far as arrogance and my crap don't stink attitude. I will bet it does.

                        We have one rightie from Utah in the Senate. Do we really need two.
                        Last edited by byu71; 06-20-2011, 01:45 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
                          I'm not that strong of an OGH supporter (unless you mean his collaborations with Janice Kapp-Perry), but I will happily join with you in cursing the Eagle Forum types.
                          You can download four of his most popular hits from the NYT (FREE!!!!). The selections include:
                          • America Rocks
                          • Everyday Heroes
                          • Heal our Land
                          • Like a River

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                            I like his softer stance on gays and undocumenteds vs the right wingers stance.

                            We have one rightie from Utah in the Senate. Do we really need two.
                            I guess its the tone you prefer? He's about as far right as they come on all the issues, including the ones you mentioned. He's completely opposed to gay marriage and making homosexuality a protected class. He has a 0% rating on gay rights issues.

                            He voted no on comprehensive immigration reform, yes on english as the national language, rated 91% by the border protection crowd.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                              You can download four of his most popular hits from the NYT (FREE!!!!). The selections include:
                              • America Rocks
                              • Everyday Heroes
                              • Heal our Land
                              • Like a River


                              Those "music" files are most likely filled with malware. Didn't I teach you anything?
                              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                              "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                              "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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