utah legislator's

[All-American]

After the UVU fiasco I need to change my vote.

Float-gate?

[frank ryan]

Float-gate?

yes, the scumbags forced a uvu trades class to make the a float for the county gop to use in the parade. the instructor did not like this and felt threatened to do it.

[frank ryan]

Party politics in Utah barely exists. Maybe it's just a result of having so few Democrats, but really, it's quite rare to see a vote go down party lines in this state. On the recently defeated Tobacco Tax bill, for examble, the vote in committee was 4-3; three Rs and 1 D for, 2 Rs and 1 D against. Party affiliation in Utah is a loose description of your general political beliefs, and not much else.

As for the personal gain, yeah, I'm sure the legislators get plenty out of it, but I have been very surprised by how much the motive of public service comes into play.

ask bramble how much he likes to pocket. he might need to take more dough because he hand to pay the pizza girl with his daughters lunch money.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Float-gate?

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showthread.php?p=38561

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705285403,00.html

Certainly no hard evidence linking Bramble at this point. But this is his style and is the type of politics he has practiced in Utah county for many years now.

[frank ryan]

Party politics in Utah barely exists. Maybe it's just a result of having so few Democrats, but really, it's quite rare to see a vote go down party lines in this state. On the recently defeated Tobacco Tax bill, for examble, the vote in committee was 4-3; three Rs and 1 D for, 2 Rs and 1 D against. Party affiliation in Utah is a loose description of your general political beliefs, and not much else.

As for the personal gain, yeah, I'm sure the legislators get plenty out of it, but I have been very surprised by how much the motive of public service comes into play.

not in the rules committee, a lot of bills get held up or sent on strictly party lines.

when considering the legislators compensation you seem to forget that more than a few are able to push through and sponsor bills that personally benefit them.

[Jeff Lebowski]

not in the rules committee, a lot of bills get held up or sent on strictly party lines.

when considering the legislators compensation you seem to forget that more than a few are able to push through and sponsor bills that personally benefit them.

Speaking of which:

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705285406,00.html

[beelzebabette]

I don't have a particular legislator that is my least favorite, but I have a distaste for the usual suspects. Howard Stephenson, Michael Waddoups, Chris Butters, Becky Lockhart. Though John Swallow isn't currently a member, he gets special recognition.

True. Any poll of this sort that doesn't include Stephenson has been adulterated.

[TripletDaddy]

I don't have a least favorite, but the LDS Church is my favorite Utah legislator.

[All-American]

not in the rules committee, a lot of bills get held up or sent on strictly party lines.

when considering the legislators compensation you seem to forget that more than a few are able to push through and sponsor bills that personally benefit them.

Kindly point them out to me:

http://www.le.state.ut.us/Documents/bills.htm

[Jeff Lebowski]

Kindly point them out to me:

http://www.le.state.ut.us/Documents/bills.htm

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,514...6,00.html?pg=1

More than half of Utah's 104 part-time legislators have introduced bills with likely conflicts of interests, a study by the Deseret News shows.
The newspaper found that 61 percent of House members and 55 percent of senators are sponsoring bills that could affect their private or business lives in some ways.
And those numbers could be higher. Some legislators, especially a number of state senators, either didn't fill out their conflict-of-interest update forms as rules require, or signed the forms but listed no conflicts of interests at all.

The anti-credit union bills that we saw year after year were usually sponsored by legislators working in the banking industry.

[All-American]

yes, the scumbags forced a uvu trades class to make the a float for the county gop to use in the parade. the instructor did not like this and felt threatened to do it.

Yeah, I'm aware of that version of the story. I bet the ethics commission must have come down pretty hard on the Senator, didn't they?

You sound like you've got your mind made up, so I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise.

[All-American]

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,514...6,00.html?pg=1



The anti-credit union bills that we saw year after year were usually sponsored by legislators working in the banking industry.

Bills that "could affect their business or private lives in some way."

THIS JUST IN: LEGISLATORS AFFECTED BY THE LAWS OF THEIR STATE.

Shocking, isn't it?

Does this mean you'll be supporting Senator Bramble's conflict of interest legislation? You'll find it, along with all the other examples of bills with likely conflicts of interest, in the link I provided earlier.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Bills that "could affect their business or private lives in some way."

THIS JUST IN: LEGISLATORS AFFECTED BY THE LAWS OF THEIR STATE.

Shocking, isn't it?

Yeah, that's the current party line. Utah has some of the most lax ethics laws in the nation.

Clearly a balance must be struck somewhere don't you think? It doesn't give you pause that bankers can craft legislation that attempts to hobble their competition? Are you going to argue that conflicts don't matter?

Does this mean you'll be supporting Senator Bramble's conflict of interest legislation? You'll find it, along with all the other examples of bills with likely conflicts of interest, in the link I provided earlier.

Yeah I saw that. It is mentioned in the article. Good for him. I hope it succeeds.

[All-American]

Yeah, that's the current party line. Utah has some of the most lax ethics laws in the nation.

Clearly a balance must be struck somewhere don't you think? It doesn't give you pause that bankers can craft legislation that attempts to hobble their competition? Are you going to argue that conflicts don't matter?

Who would better craft legislation that would impact the banking industry than somebody who understands the intimate workings of the banking industry-- such as, for example, a banker?

They can craft whatever legislation they want. Every bill they run, whether it fails or succeeds, is in the public record. If what they are doing is so horrible, tell your neighbors and have them vote for somebody else.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Who would better craft legislation that would impact the banking industry than somebody who understands the intimate workings of the banking industry-- such as, for example, a banker?

Sure. And with a citizen legislature these kinds of things are tough to avoid. But let's backtrack to how this conversation started. Frank Ryan pointed out that legislators benefit by promoting bills that benefit them financially. Your response implied that this doesn't happen or is rare ("point them out to me"). I gave you a concrete and recent example of such a case. It happens all the time. Now you are changing the topic.

They can craft whatever legislation they want. Every bill they run, whether it fails or succeeds, is in the public record. If what they are doing is so horrible, tell your neighbors and have them vote for somebody else.

Trust me. I do.