Prediction for the repeal of DADT

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  • Devildog
    Motor Boatin' SOB
    • Oct 2010
    • 1239

    #16
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    "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
    -Thucydides

    "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
    -Miyamoto Musashi

    Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    • LA Ute
      Receiver of Memory
      • Nov 2008
      • 19512

      #17
      I'm glad DADT finally ended. I don't see how we can allow people to sign up for military service that includes putting their lives on the line for the country and then kick them out based on their sexual orientation.

      The deeper aspects of my rationale have been oft-stated and attributed to many sources.
      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
      ― W.H. Auden


      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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      • pellegrino
        miserere me
        • Jan 2009
        • 12100

        #18
        What I'm most glad about is that it went through the proper channels of government. In this day and age it seems like every civil right we have has to be defined or "created" by the courts.
        Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
        God forgives many things for an act of mercy
        Alessandro Manzoni

        Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.

        pelagius

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        • Jeff Lebowski
          Corporate lackey for Jesus
          • Nov 2008
          • 69527

          #19
          This is a happy day. Chalk one up for progress and common sense.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • mUUser
            Giggity
            • Jul 2009
            • 1142

            #20
            Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
            tax cuts for the extremely wealthy

            cause that's the right thing to do too.


            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
            I'm glad DADT finally ended.

            me too.

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            • Devildog
              Motor Boatin' SOB
              • Oct 2010
              • 1239

              #21
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              "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
              -Thucydides

              "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
              -Miyamoto Musashi

              Si vis pacem, para bellum

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              • Portland Ute
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 5647

                #22
                Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                Why is it that the Republicans get to bargain for super-expensive (i.e. massive debt increasing) tax cuts for the extremely wealthy (even when they are dead, and the money is going to be a windfall to a child who probably didn't work for it, making it more likely to stimulate the hooker and coke economy, rather than getting directed toward the rebuilding of our economy via the fixing of our failing infrastructure), and in return, the Dems get to fight for things like the repeal of DADT, which is just the right thing to do?


                Tax cuts aren't expensive. Spending is expensive. Tax cuts don't COST a thing.

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                • Portland Ute
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 5647

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                  Because American's believe in many of the basic economic theories espoused by Conservatives. The far left was still believing in Communisim and Socialism 20 years ago. You might think it was a huge paradign shift to the center for the hard left when all them state run socialistic systems went tits up, but the rest of us wonder why there were such stupid dipshits for so long and hence we are real skeptical whenever they start talking about how they are going to rebuild the economy.

                  Then when they have their chance to rebuild the economy they choke it away by focussing upon socially liberal ideology that is not uniformaly wanted. So for all it is worth you team didn't try to fix the economy, probably because they don't know how. Their focus is how to take the goods when things are good to share with all. They don't really get the concept of incentive that is neccesary to jumpstart things.
                  They STILL do!

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                  • LA Ute
                    Receiver of Memory
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 19512

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Portland Ute View Post
                    They STILL do!
                    Avatar thief.
                    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                    ― W.H. Auden


                    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                    • Moliere
                      One man.....one pie
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 27820

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Portland Ute View Post


                      Tax cuts aren't expensive. Spending is expensive. Tax cuts don't COST a thing.
                      Unless you are paying interest on over $10 trillion in debt. I'd say losing out of those taxes is expensive just from the fact that that debt will just continue to be rolled and we'll continue to pay interest on it.

                      As for DADT, it is great that this went through. I think DADT served its purpose well. Some are poopooing DADT by saying it was unnecessary and a horrible/discriminatory law, but I see it as more of a bridge law that served its purpose. It allowed many people the opportunity to serve in the military while the nation continued to find its place on this issue. Now that progress has happened on that front, it is time to repeal the law.
                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • San Juan Sun
                        Kicked to the curb
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 9214

                        #26
                        Does not caring at all one way or another on DADT make me a a bad person?
                        "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

                        - Ty Cobb

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                        • il Padrino Ute
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 19161

                          #27
                          Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                          Does not caring at all one way or another on DADT make me a a bad person?
                          No. It demonstrates honesty on your part.
                          "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                          "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                          • U-Ute
                            Non member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 2071

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Portland Ute View Post
                            Tax cuts aren't expensive. Spending is expensive. Tax cuts don't COST a thing.
                            First of all, tax cuts are, by definition, cutting the income to government to pay for things like wars and interest on debt. If you don't think cutting income costs a thing, feel free to send me half your paycheck and only pay the minimum on your credit cards so you can afford to live with your new income level.

                            Second, this isn't a tax cut. It is not a tax increase. Splitting hairs for sure, but the fact remains.

                            The argument for not increasing the taxes is that small businesses will invest in jobs increasing payrolls, which will eventually lead to increased tax revenue in the long run. By that logic, if you don't get a raise this year, I'm sure you'll spend more in response.

                            FWIW, I don't think we should increase the taxes. What we really need to do is fix the corporate tax loopholes for companies that move their headquarters offshore for tax purposes. But we all know that that won't happen since all of our Senators/Representatives are beholden to companies now.

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                            • happyone
                              Board Bookworm
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 5389

                              #29
                              Like SJS I'm ambivalent about it. Given the changes in our society, I think it was inevitable and this is a whole lot better way to do it than by judicial fiat.

                              The services will do their damnedest to make the changes as smooth as possible but their will be problems.

                              However I don't think this type of thing should be done during a shooting war. When the service chiefs talk about unit cohesion and combat readiness being affected - it is another way of saying somebody is going to get killed.

                              I think the combat support and combat service support units will make the transition a whole lot easier that the combat units - the grunts, dats and gun bunnies

                              I may be small, but I'm slow.

                              A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or national guard or reserve is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to, "The United States of America ", for an amount of "up to and including my life - it's an honor."

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                              • Uncle Ted
                                The Big 12 money shot.
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 28853

                                #30
                                Ah, an explanation for all those dead birds...

                                A good Friend of Unfair Park sends along a video presently making the rounds in which Red Oak's own Cindy Jacobs, self-proclaimed "respected prophet," says there's a very good explanation for why those 5,000 birds died in Arkansas on New Year's Eve. And, no, it had nothing to do with a loud noise. Sorry, science. Instead, says Jacobs, it was the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

                                Let's talk about this Arkansas pattern and say, could it be a pattern? We're going to watch and see. But the blackbirds fell to the ground in Beebe, Arkansas. Well the Governor of Arkansas' name is Beebe. And also, there was something put out of Arkansas called "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" by a former Governor, this was proposed, Bill Clinton. As so, could there be a connection between this passage [Hosea 4] and now that we've had the repeal of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell, where people now legally in the United States have broken restraints with the Scripture because the Scripture says in Romans 1 that homosexuality is not allowed.
                                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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