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  • Somali fraud in Minnesota

    This story just keeps getting bigger and bigger so it probably deserves a dedicated thread. There have been rumors about fraud by the Somali diaspora in Minnesota for a while, the story exploded with a New York Times article about a month ago. Here is a gift link that should give you access:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/29/u...smid=url-share

    The fraud scandal that rattled Minnesota was staggering in its scale and brazenness.

    Federal prosecutors charged dozens of people with felonies, accusing them of stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from a government program meant to keep children fed during the Covid-19 pandemic.

    At first, many in the state saw the case as a one-off abuse during a health emergency. But as new schemes targeting the state’s generous safety net programs came to light, state and federal officials began to grapple with a jarring reality.

    Over the last five years, law enforcement officials say, fraud took root in pockets of Minnesota’s Somali diaspora as scores of individuals made small fortunes by setting up companies that billed state agencies for millions of dollars’ worth of social services that were never provided.

    Federal prosecutors say that 59 people have been convicted in those schemes so far, and that more than $1 billion in taxpayers’ money has been stolen in three plots they are investigating. That is more than Minnesota spends annually to run its Department of Corrections. Minnesota’s fraud scandal stood out even in the context of rampant theft during the pandemic, when Americans stole tens of billions through unemployment benefits, business loans and other forms of aid, according to federal auditors.
    Well, it turns out that this was the tip of the iceberg. Now they are saying it is far bigger and the US Attorney estimates it to be around $9B (link). Likely the largest fraud case in US history. All happening under Tim Walz's watch.

    How did this go on so long? In part, they didn't investigate because they didn't want to appear to be racist. From the NYT article.

    In 2020, Minnesota Department of Education officials who administered the program became overwhelmed by the number of applicants seeking to register new feeding sites and began raising questions about the plausibility of some invoices.

    Feeding Our Future, the nonprofit group that was the largest provider in the pandemic program, responded with a warning. In an email, the group told the state agency that failing to promptly approve new applicants from “minority-owned businesses” would result in a lawsuit featuring accusations of racism that would be “sprawled across the news.”

    Feeding Our Future later sued the agency, which continued reimbursing claims and approving new sites in the months that followed.

    A report by Minnesota’s nonpartisan Office of the Legislative Auditor about the lapses that enabled the meals fraud later found that the threat of litigation and of negative press affected how state officials used their regulatory power.
    In the last week, a young YouTuber named Nick Shirley released a video where he and a guy from Minnesota who has been investigating this drove around to dozens of Somali day cares and businesses and all appeared to be fraudulent.



    This X post and video is already in the top 10 most viewed posts of all time on X. 88M views and rapidly counting.

    The video is remarkable. None of the day cares seem to have any kids. Most are locked up. Some of the businesses later in the video might have some degree of legitimacy, but most appear fraudulent. If one kid can just walk around and find stuff like this, what on earth is the state and fed government doing?

    Interestingly, this Nick Shirley kid is from Farmington, Utah. Here is an article about him from 2020 when he was just getting started.

    https://ksltv.com/education-schools/...tardom/438202/
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  • #2
    It is insane that the government can't figure out how to implement oversight. If this kid found $110 million in fraud in one day, something is terribly broken.

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    • #3
      This whole thing is so big it almost seems fake. But I believe it. Government can be extremely inefficient and is prone to so much fraud.

      The Somali thing makes me wonder if Ilhan Omar hasn't benefited in some way even if she had no idea any of this.

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      • #4
        wow I wouldn't bet on Walz having a political career after this.

        Fraud is everywhere, but the organized nature of this and its brazenness are pretty bad. This is a nice cherry on top:

        As a trial in the meals fraud case was coming to a close last summer, an attempt to bribe a juror included an explicit insinuation about racism, prosecutors said. Several defendants in the trial were found to have arranged to send a bag containing $120,000 to a juror along with a note that read, “Why, why, why is it always people of color and immigrants prosecuted for the fault of other people?”
        I see in that in the other link the fraud became touristy. A couple of Philadelphians were attracted to the easy money and submitted fraudulent claims from there.
        "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
        "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
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        • #5
          This has to be one of the largest organized crime heists in the history of the world, right? And it was completely nonviolent. The most effective weapon used was the fear of being considered racist.

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          • #6
            the youtouber meh I dont trust , some old guy comes and cant see the kids? oh noes

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Maximus View Post
              the youtouber meh I dont trust , some old guy comes and cant see the kids? oh noes
              So you don't believe there is any fraud going on in those daycares and home health companies?

              To be fair, I work for home health and see patients at daycares. Daycares are always locked. A random schmoe can't just walk into a daycare. So, just having a door locked isn't evidence of fraud. That said, 22 somali run home health companies in one building? Absolutely weird

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LiveCoug View Post

                So you don't believe there is any fraud going on in those daycares and home health companies?

                To be fair, I work for home health and see patients at daycares. Daycares are always locked. A random schmoe can't just walk into a daycare. So, just having a door locked isn't evidence of fraud. That said, 22 somali run home health companies in one building? Absolutely weird
                Yeah, being locked is not surprising, but if it’s a functioning daycare, someone should at least answer the door, correct? And you would expect to hear some sounds coming from inside the daycare. Kids are noisy. On the few occasions where someone actually did open the door, they acted guilty as hell. Not to mention the fact that many of them had completely or near empty parking lots.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                  the youtouber meh I dont trust , some old guy comes and cant see the kids? oh noes
                  "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                  • #10
                    It's stuff like this that we have Trump in office, clean up the fraud and corruption, and if he would have targeted stuff like this would have a good share of the country behind him. What we got was someone profiteering off inside deals, on a giant ego trip, in a war with the media and further tearing this country apart. Such a golden opportunity and such a waste by a deranged lunatic.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

                      Yeah, being locked is not surprising, but if it’s a functioning daycare, someone should at least answer the door, correct? And you would expect to hear some sounds coming from inside the daycare. Kids are noisy. On the few occasions where someone actually did open the door, they acted guilty as hell. Not to mention the fact that many of them had completely or near empty parking lots.
                      Unless you're approaching the backdoor of what used to be a daycare, but closed a long time ago and is now a restaurant. Or when you're "investigating" businesses that were already under investigation (https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...-care-centers/)

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                      • #12
                        Let’s not forget the over 400 Minnesota-HHS employees that have publicly stated Waltz intimated, ignored, fired and removed any attempts for the agency to address the fraud issues.

                        it only understanding there is possible criminal liability on Waltz if it is proven he did nothing when was made aware of these fraud issues.

                        And this guy was possibly going to be VP. How much you wanna bet this would have continued to be swept under the rug if he was in the WH.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LiveCoug View Post

                          So you don't believe there is any fraud going on in those daycares and home health companies?

                          To be fair, I work for home health and see patients at daycares. Daycares are always locked. A random schmoe can't just walk into a daycare. So, just having a door locked isn't evidence of fraud. That said, 22 somali run home health companies in one building? Absolutely weird
                          Even if the facility is locked which is valid, there should be an outdoor portion of the facility for activities where kids can be viewed and easily demonstrate it is a valid daycare. I did not see ANY of that.

                          If what you said is accurate and they had 22 HHA’s in one building. I am trying to comprehend how any site visit or enrollment of said HHA’s passed the mustard of the Medicaid or other state agency that is supposed to be reviewing their application and continued compliance. Let alone the drop-in site visits that SHOULD be a requirement for the Federal/State-program created to funnel all this money thru..

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                            the youtouber meh I dont trust , some old guy comes and cant see the kids? oh noes
                            You’re joking right.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

                              Unless you're approaching the backdoor of what used to be a daycare, but closed a long time ago and is now a restaurant. Or when you're "investigating" businesses that were already under investigation (https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...-care-centers/)
                              That article doesn’t help your case in saying it was being dealt with. Nor does it negate the fraud that was allowed to take place and the massive enrollment that seemed to be rubber stamped and allowed.

                              You cannot brush off the massive fraud on a list of 62 cases when this fraud is in the billions and seems to be specific to one group that is doing the majority of the fraud activities.

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