Exemptions (Religious) from Obama's Healthcare

[dabrockster]

Not sure if this has been discussed or not so please disregard if it has...

It looks like Obamacare has given an "out" for religious reasons for those who do not believe in insurance and they will not be forced to participate nor pay any penalties for not having insurance.

So which religious groups would fall under this category??

Amish is exempt from this and possibly some Christianity sects, and Scientiology but less likely. However, the big one I am sure you can guess is..... Muslims...

From several sources it looks like Muslims consider this practice to be a "Haraam" (forbidden) and in the category of gambling so they will be exempt and will not have to pay nor receive any insurance under Obamacare. This is fairly clear cut for them since this is laid out in their beliefs while the other religious sects leave it up to the individual to decide their opinion on this matter.


Now one can look at this and be pretty upset about it. The idea of the American people covering insurance (Hospital visits, ER, Emergency surgeries etc) to people who do not believe in this but are willing to reap the benefits can be more than irritating. In addition, the burden this will put on the rest of us who are forced to pay for insurance will be costly.. The cost to cover these individuals in our country I am sure was not included in their cost benefits savings etc.. I see no savings but more of a rising cost. Muslims in America is a fairly large population. I see this as just another reason why this was a stupid thing to do in the first place..


Lastly, what a converting tool this could be in America to the Muslim sect.. Obama just became one of their best missionaries ever!!!

Link:
http://libertyandpride.com/muslims-e...rom-obamacare/

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...xcused_fr.html

http://www.thefoxnation.com/culture/...macare-mandate



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[Sleeping in EQ]

[Indy Coug]

There was a job opening recently in Riyadh for a life insurance actuary. I think this whole Muslim/Haraam/Insurance thing is a crock.

[dabrockster]

Here is the Bill:
http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/1..._engrossed.pdf


By All means refute what I am saying as wrong??

It is on page 272.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Here is the Bill:
http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/1..._engrossed.pdf


By All means refute what I am saying as wrong??

By all means decide if you are making a statement or asking a question.

Exemptions like this one are common. I work with a Muslim who seems satisfied with his insurance plan.

You should have kept this bit of info in your Trapper Keeper.

[Moliere]

I've got three good Muslim friends, in fact one of them is a very good friend that I go to lunch with often and he's been to my house several times. They all have insurance. They all want insurance. Just because you show up at the ER doesn't mean you get free service. You only get free service if you can't pay for it and the Muslims I know make good money and could pay. This is just another crazy right wing conspiracy.

I doubt they are exempted from the increased taxes.

[dabrockster]

By all means decide if you are making a statement or asking a question.

Exemptions like this one are common. I work with a Muslim who seems satisfied with his insurance plan.

You should have kept this bit of info in your Trapper Keeper.

Tisk. It's not a trapper Keeper.. It is a well hidden safe under my house in my bunker along with all my guns and video footage of Glenn beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. The family goes down there each night to watch their shows in preparation for the ending of the world...

Trapper Keeper. Puhlease. Give me more credit..


Maybe it is conspiracy driven, but I will be curious to see how many people will try and take advantage of this exemption..

[RobinFinderson]

Maybe it is conspiracy driven, but I will be curious to see how many people will try and take advantage of this exemption..

You want to know what exemption pisses me off? All of the ones Mormons get, just because they are a religion. I want to know why Mormons get to be tax exempt when they buy land, build temples, and put up big KEEP OUT signs.

For a while now I've been thinking about starting a tool collective, which is basically a warehouse with a tool library. People would rent space and have access to tools and a little storage for projects. Rather than setting this up as a for-profit venture, I've been considering the advantages of making it a non-deistic church. I would call it The Church of the Divine Creator, and the doctrine of the church would be that human spirituality reaches its full potential through the exercise of creative pursuits. The warehouse would be a temple, and the only people who could enter would be full tithe-payers (I've gotta collect rent to make it work). Every other Friday night, I would preach a sermon (a performance art piece) and there would be an an opening to display the creative efforts of the members of the church. It would all be a very elaborate effort to not have to pay taxes just like the Mormons don't have to pay taxes.

As the saying goes, if you can't beat them, join them.

[Uncle Ted]

It looks like Obamacare has given an "out" for religious reasons for those who do not believe in insurance and they will not be forced to participate nor pay any penalties for not having insurance.

So which religious groups would fall under this category??

Why do you have to get religious to get an exemption? For example, conscientious objection can be used for an exemption to immunizations, at least in Texas.

The nice thing about Obamacare is that you can always change your religion (or, maybe, your objection) and pick up insurance at anytime, say when you have a nasty pre existing condition. Of course, as more people realize this health insurance premiums are going to sky rocket (like they haven't already) and liberals are going to argue we need a public option and then, when that doesn't work very well, a single payer system. At that point the government will finally get to dictate how much a doctor gets paid.

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[Sleeping in EQ]

Tisk. It's not a trapper Keeper.. It is a well hidden safe under my house in my bunker along with all my guns and video footage of Glenn beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. The family goes down there each night to watch their shows in preparation for the ending of the world...

Trapper Keeper. Puhlease. Give me more credit..


Maybe it is conspiracy driven, but I will be curious to see how many people will try and take advantage of this exemption..

Trapper Keepers with scratch and sniff stickers are like, totally tubular.

[Colly Wolly]

For a while now I've been thinking about starting a tool collective, which is basically a warehouse with a tool library. People would rent space and have access to tools and a little storage for projects. Rather than setting this up as a for-profit venture, I've been considering the advantages of making it a non-deistic church. I would call it The Church of the Divine Creator, and the doctrine of the church would be that human spirituality reaches its full potential through the exercise of creative pursuits. The warehouse would be a temple, and the only people who could enter would be full tithe-payers (I've gotta collect rent to make it work). Every other Friday night, I would preach a sermon (a performance art piece) and there would be an an opening to display the creative efforts of the members of the church. It would all be a very elaborate effort to not have to pay taxes just like the Mormons don't have to pay taxes.

As the saying goes, if you can't beat them, join them.

WTF!?!?! WHY DIDN'T I GET THE MEMO???

[Katy Lied]

For a while now I've been thinking about starting a tool collective, which is basically a warehouse with a tool library. People would rent space and have access to tools and a little storage for projects.

good idea, but you will never be able to afford the liability insurance for this collective. you could probably do the space rental without the tool library. Jeffrey Hein has this kind of warehouse in Provo.

[old_gregg]

WTF!?!?! WHY DIDN'T I GET THE MEMO???

time to fire your accountant!

[Uncle Ted]

For a while now I've been thinking about starting a tool collective, which is basically a warehouse with a tool library. People would rent space and have access to tools and a little storage for projects. Rather than setting this up as a for-profit venture, I've been considering the advantages of making it a non-deistic church. I would call it The Church of the Divine Creator, and the doctrine of the church would be that human spirituality reaches its full potential through the exercise of creative pursuits. The warehouse would be a temple, and the only people who could enter would be full tithe-payers (I've gotta collect rent to make it work). Every other Friday night, I would preach a sermon (a performance art piece) and there would be an an opening to display the creative efforts of the members of the church. It would all be a very elaborate effort to not have to pay taxes just like the Mormons don't have to pay taxes.

"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is." -L. Ron Hubbard.

Maybe you could get Tom Cruise to do some videos for the church of the divine creator.

[dabrockster]

You want to know what exemption pisses me off? All of the ones Mormons get, just because they are a religion. I want to know why Mormons get to be tax exempt when they buy land, build temples, and put up big KEEP OUT signs.

For a while now I've been thinking about starting a tool collective, which is basically a warehouse with a tool library. People would rent space and have access to tools and a little storage for projects. Rather than setting this up as a for-profit venture, I've been considering the advantages of making it a non-deistic church. I would call it The Church of the Divine Creator, and the doctrine of the church would be that human spirituality reaches its full potential through the exercise of creative pursuits. The warehouse would be a temple, and the only people who could enter would be full tithe-payers (I've gotta collect rent to make it work). Every other Friday night, I would preach a sermon (a performance art piece) and there would be an an opening to display the creative efforts of the members of the church. It would all be a very elaborate effort to not have to pay taxes just like the Mormons don't have to pay taxes.

As the saying goes, if you can't beat them, join them.

Are you talking about a church collectively or a church member individually..

(NOTE: FIXED)Because I think me paying $500 in taxes reduced to $465 was about the extent of my benefits of being a Mormon (Maybe I should hire an accountant).. I really do not see it being at the same level as an exemption from the healthcare bill. Now if you are talking about the church collectively. I am not an expert on that but I am sure they benefit...

Either way, I support your desire to create your own church as a citizen of this country... Good luck to you. I look forward to hearing more about it..