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    This Wall Street Journal editorial lays it out. It begins:

    With the House's climactic vote on ObamaCare tomorrow, Democrats are on the cusp of a profound and historic mistake, comparable in our view to the Smoot-Hawley tariff and FDR's National Industrial Recovery Act. Everyone is preoccupied now with the politics, but ultimately at stake on Sunday is the kind of country America will be.

    The consequences of this bill will not only be destructive for the health-care system and the country's fiscal condition, though those will be bad enough. Inextricably bound up in a plan as far-reaching and ambitious as ObamaCare are also larger questions about the role of government, the dynamism of American enterprise and the nature of a free society. Above anything else, this explains why Democrats have had such trouble convincing the public, let alone their own Members.
    A lot of spleens are being vented about the pending change in the system, but this lays out what are, to me, the real reasons to oppose the Senate and House bills. After the law is enacted (and i do think it will be) the debate will continue and we will all try to adjust. I just think it is a shame.

    From a purely personal standpoint, I am sorry to see the industry to which I have devoted my professional life moving closer and closer to becoming a public utility. I know many here see that differently, but that's how it looks to me.

    From a more partisan standpoint, this Weekly Standard piece by Matthew Continetti summarizes the history of the legislation and pretty much lists all the reasons why it outrages so many people. His concluding paragraphs:

    One cannot judge the full consequences of health care reform. What can be judged is the manner by which Democrats have governed over the last year. They have been partisan and ideological, derisive and dismissive. They try to legislate massive changes to American society and the American economy by the tiniest of margins and the most arcane of methods. The process has taken on a substance all its own.

    And it’s repellent.
    I think I need to go sing a hymn!
    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden


    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
    This Wall Street Journal editorial lays it out. It begins:



    A lot of spleens are being vented about the pending change in the system, but this lays out what are, to me, the real reasons to oppose the Senate and House bills. After the law is enacted (and i do think it will be) the debate will continue and we will all try to adjust. I just think it is a shame.

    From a purely personal standpoint, I am sorry to see the industry to which I have devoted my professional life moving closer and closer to becoming a public utility. I know many here see that differently, but that's how it looks to me.

    From a more partisan standpoint, this Weekly Standard piece by Matthew Continetti summarizes the history of the legislation and pretty much lists all the reasons why it outrages so many people. His concluding paragraphs:



    I think I need to go sing a hymn!
    If it was so great, why cut all the deals to get votes? When all the deals are eventually made public, the public will become even more outraged. Then the Repubs will have to chisel away at it for the next few years. And the country thought GWB was bad. They ain't seen nothing yet.

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    • #3
      I'm really back and forth on this issue. I think there is plenty of blame to go around for our broken system. Many doctors have turned into businessmen instead of healers. I went to the dermatologist to have some moles looked at and have a growth on my arm looked at. He took the growth off, looked at a my moles, and asked if there was anything else. I have an oil gland that is plugged that is easily removed. He wouldn't take it off in the same visit. He made me schedule another appointment. He also wouldn't combine my follow-up appointment for my arm with the oil gland removal. So he basically wanted me to come in four times instead of two. Doctors spend a lot of time in training and what they do is very important, so I believe they deserve to be paid very well, but this type of behavior raises rates for all of us.
      Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
        I'm really back and forth on this issue. I think there is plenty of blame to go around for our broken system. Many doctors have turned into businessmen instead of healers. I went to the dermatologist to have some moles looked at and have a growth on my arm looked at. He took the growth off, looked at a my moles, and asked if there was anything else. I have an oil gland that is plugged that is easily removed. He wouldn't take it off in the same visit. He made me schedule another appointment. He also wouldn't combine my follow-up appointment for my arm with the oil gland removal. So he basically wanted me to come in four times instead of two. Doctors spend a lot of time in training and what they do is very important, so I believe they deserve to be paid very well, but this type of behavior raises rates for all of us.
        So his intent was merely to soak more money out of you? He didn't laugh when you said he could easily remove it in a matter of minutes during the same visit, since you are so qualified to make that determination? I commend him on keeping his composure.

        BTW........physicians do run a business. So i guess we would be considered businessmen. If you don't like your dermatologist, go to another one. That's the beauty of our system. Talk with your feet.

        But I'm sure the new healthcare plan will prevent this type of nonsense in the future, reduce your premiums, improve the quality and reduce the cost of your next visit. Just hold on for a few months. Help is on the way.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hallelujah View Post
          So his intent was merely to soak more money out of you? He didn't laugh when you said he could easily remove it in a matter of minutes during the same visit, since you are so qualified to make that determination? I commend him on keeping his composure.

          BTW........physicians do run a business. So i guess we would be considered businessmen. If you don't like your dermatologist, go to another one. That's the beauty of our system. Talk with your feet.

          But I'm sure the new healthcare plan will prevent this type of nonsense in the future, reduce your premiums, improve the quality and reduce the cost of your next visit. Just hold on for a few months. Help is on the way.
          Now you are a doctor? I thought you claimed to be in med school? When I read your posts I am reminded of a rhyme I learned as a child. "When you tell one lie, it leads to another. So you tell two lies to cover each other. The you tell three lies and, oh brother. You're in trouble up to your ears!"

          Sorry exUte. Just being honest.
          Get confident, stupid
          -landpoke

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          • #6
            More principled opposition to Obamacare: Socilazed medicine leads to penile amputation:

            http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/1...ong-diagnosis/

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