The 2010 Census...

[il Padrino Ute]

is an example of the invasion of privacy. According to it's own website, it asks 2 questions that the bureau claims are necessary for an accurate count.

Wrong.

I'd really like the bureau to explain where in the Constitution is states that questions 4 and 5 are required to get an accurate count of the population.

If folks want to give that info, that's your call, but remember that you're not required to do it.

[Moliere]

Why does the government need to know my shoe size?

[il Padrino Ute]

Why does the government need to know my shoe size?

To get an idea about how powerful a bomb you might be hiding.

[I.J. Reilly]

is an example of the invasion of privacy. According to it's own website, it asks 2 questions that the bureau claims are necessary for an accurate count.

Wrong.

I'd really like the bureau to explain where in the Constitution is states that questions 4 and 5 are required to get an accurate count of the population.

If folks want to give that info, that's your call, but remember that you're not required to do it.

Watch out. They're coming for you. I hope you've got plenty of ammunition.

[BoylenOver]

Meh. I wouldn't want telemarketers or the ugly girl that had a crush on me sophomore year of high school to have my phone number, but considering the government has legal, legit access to tens of millions of phone numbers, potentially being a part of that list isn't particularly bothersome.

[wuapinmon]

#1 The laws covering the release of this info to anyone but the Bureau of the Census are ironclad. No personal data can be released for 80 years, not even with a subpoena/warrant/etc.

#2 The names of people living at an "address" have been collected since the first Census.

#3 Actually, it is against the law not to answer Census questions. They will actually bring out (so they threaten) federal marshals if someone refuses to comply.

10. Do I have to respond to the 2010 Census?
Yes, your participation in the 2010 Census is vital and required by law. Title 13 section 221 of the United States Code requires your response. Title 13 also requires that the Census Bureau keep respondents’ answers confidential and uses them only for tabulations that do not reveal any personal data about individuals or households.

http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/ConstituentFAQ.pdf

[Hallelujah]

#1 The laws covering the release of this info to anyone but the Bureau of the Census are ironclad. No personal data can be released for 80 years, not even with a subpoena/warrant/etc.

#2 The names of people living at an "address" have been collected since the first Census.

#3 Actually, it is against the law not to answer Census questions. They will actually bring out (so they threaten) federal marshals if someone refuses to comply.



http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/ConstituentFAQ.pdf

Thank goodness for the law. That will protect us unless of course the WH wants go gain access.......which has been done before. Naturally, it was not intentional, just a mistake. I notice there isn't the obvious question: are you a citizen of the US. If not why should you count?

[Hallelujah]

#1 The laws covering the release of this info to anyone but the Bureau of the Census are ironclad. No personal data can be released for 80 years, not even with a subpoena/warrant/etc.

#2 The names of people living at an "address" have been collected since the first Census.

#3 Actually, it is against the law not to answer Census questions. They will actually bring out (so they threaten) federal marshals if someone refuses to comply.



http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/ConstituentFAQ.pdf

Using Pelosi's thought process, it said I had to answer all the questions. But nowhere did it say the answers had to be accurate. Got it.

[il Padrino Ute]

#1 The laws covering the release of this info to anyone but the Bureau of the Census are ironclad. No personal data can be released for 80 years, not even with a subpoena/warrant/etc.

That's not my issue.

#2 The names of people living at an "address" have been collected since the first Census.

Link please. I honestly can't find one to see for myself. Also, I didn't put my name anywhere on the 2000 Census and don't remember a question asking about the names of those who lived at the address. I'm in the same house now as I was then.

#3 Actually, it is against the law not to answer Census questions. They will actually bring out (so they threaten) federal marshals if someone refuses to comply.

Can you show me where in the Constitution that it is required to give my name and phone number?

My understanding is that it's a $100 fine to not answer the questions. It would be worth it.

[wuapinmon]

Thank goodness for the law. That will protect us unless of course the WH wants go gain access.......which has been done before. Naturally, it was not intentional, just a mistake. I notice there isn't the obvious question: are you a citizen of the US. If not why should you count?

Because people use resources, regardless of citizenship. I'm starting to worry that you actually believe all the Wednesday that comes out of your mouth. I just can't believe that someone who rarely, if ever, shows any critical thought about an issue is in medical school. I know you said that you were, but unless you're playing a 'character' named Hallelujah (genius, if that's true), then I still doubt that you are what you claim to be.

Hell, even dabrockster runs circles around you in the thinking department.

[wuapinmon]

That's not my issue.

Link please. I honestly can't find one to see for myself. Also, I didn't put my name anywhere on the 2000 Census and don't remember a question asking about the names of those who lived at the address. I'm in the same house now as I was then.

Can you show me where in the Constitution that it is required to give my name and phone number?

My understanding is that it's a $100 fine to not answer the questions. It would be worth it.

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decenni...s/1790m-02.pdf

Can you show me where in the Constitution it says that you cannot use freon in your air conditioner? That you have to prove your identity in order to vote?

I was a Census enumerator in 2000, and I can assure you, beyond any inkling of a shadow of a doubt that the names were collected on the short and the long forms.

Title 13, Section 221

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a)
of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances
described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is
false, shall be fined not more than $500.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person
shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his
religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

[DU Ute]

To get an idea about how powerful a bomb you might be hiding.

You know what they say about the size of your feet...

[beefytee]

That's not my issue.

Link please. I honestly can't find one to see for myself. Also, I didn't put my name anywhere on the 2000 Census and don't remember a question asking about the names of those who lived at the address. I'm in the same house now as I was then.

Can you show me where in the Constitution that it is required to give my name and phone number?

My understanding is that it's a $100 fine to not answer the questions. It would be worth it.

Here is some background on that:

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_cens.html

It isn't in the constitution but was in the first census:

The act directed that the names of the heads of families be recorded, the number of white males sixteen and older, the number of white males under sixteen, the number of white females, the number of all other free persons, and the number of slaves. Failure of an assistant marshal to make a return, or to make a false return, was punishable by a $200 fine. Failure of a marshal to do the same was punishable by a fine of up to $800. The questions about profession, and other information Representative Sedgwick spoke of, were not made part of the final census. Census day was set at the first Monday in August, 1790. Failure to cooperate with a marshal or assistant was punishable by a $20 fine.

Looks like it might be the same fines in place today based on what you said.

[il Padrino Ute]

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decenni...s/1790m-02.pdf

Can you show me where in the Constitution it says that you cannot use freon in your air conditioner? That you have to prove your identity in order to vote?

I was a Census enumerator in 2000, and I can assure you, beyond any inkling of a shadow of a doubt that the names were collected on the short and the long forms.

Title 13, Section 221

Not being able to use freon in my air conditioner isn't a problem for me. I don't consider air conditioning a right. - Strike one

I wish there was something in the Constitution that stated that I had to prove my identity so there would be no chance that a non-citizen would vote. - Strike two

Well, my name wasn't collected because I didn't give out that info. I would remember doing that.

[wuapinmon]

Well, my name wasn't collected because I didn't give out that info. I would remember doing that.

Since I'm still up at bat with a 0-2 count, I'll take a final swing.

Where in the Constitution does is say that you have a RIGHT to Privacy? (foul tip, out of play)

I respect your decision not to share the information, though I think that the entire genealogical work of the Church would be frustrated if everyone did this. Census information is a Spirit of Elijah goldmine.

And Mac just hit a frozen rope into the left field bleachers!