Should killing in self-defense be removed too?

[Indy Coug]

that is a slippery slope, given the religious inspiration that some people receive

You mean like the slippery slope of moral relativism? There are slippery slopes everywhere; it's just a question of which hill you choose to ride.

[RobinFinderson]

Should we not kill people because God told us?

No, you should not kill people because 'God told you.' Dude, does this really need to be said? Don't kill people for God. Don't express willingness to kill on behalf of God. If God wants people killed, let God kill people. He is a big boy that can kill people just fine on His own.

[Jarid in Cedar]

You mean like the slippery slope of moral relativism? There are slippery slopes everywhere; it's just a question of which hill you choose to ride.

So which religious God should we follow regarding their view of capital punishment: Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Taoism,

They all have differing views on the topic of killing someone.

I would simply like to avoid the slippery slope of "I killed him because God said I should"

[Indy Coug]

So which religious God should we follow regarding their view of capital punishment: Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Taoism,

They all have differing views on the topic of killing someone.

I would simply like to avoid the slippery slope of "I killed him because God said I should"

I tell you what: you point out all of our moral values which drive our jurisprudence and legislative processes that were arrived at sans the Judeo-Christian tradition and we can discuss this further.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I tell you what: you point out all of our moral values which drive our jurisprudence and legislative processes that were arrived at sans the Judeo-Christian tradition and we can discuss this further.

To argue that this country was not founded by judeo-christian tradition would be foolish. To argue that there are not many other influences today would be so as well.

[SeattleUte]

I'm glad you're here SOP. We need more like you to remind the Lebowskis and LAUtes of the world what real Mormons are like. That's right, blood atonement baby, it's right in the D&C.

[Hallelujah]

If we can't protect ourselves, what are we supposed to do?

I'm thinking that Son of ____ is like me, in that the 2nd Amendment rocks.

Wait for the police..............obviously. And then hope the justice system takes care of them. normally about 1 year after you have buried your loved one.

[Hallelujah]

Unless he is law enforecement in street clothes, how is the man in the video acting in self-defense?

I hope they tried him for manslaughter.

In your world, you wait until he shoots someone? Brilliant, as always.

How many times do you read about some guy being shot to death AFTER he hands over the goods/money in an effort to kill the witness. You would wait around? Good for you. Not good for me.

[Hallelujah]

If one person is facing an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm, as the person with the gun pointed at him is, another person is permitted to "step into the shoes" of that person and defend them as though it were himself. Defense of another is something people don't hear as much about, but if the guy who has the gun pointed at him could shot (he clearly could) then another can do it for him.

Yeah, baby. don't point a gun at someone unless you are ready to suffer the consequences. If a perp were pointing a gun at me, the message I would process in my mind would be, "please shoot me" and I would oblige. I don't need Mormon doctrine to help me figure that out in the spur of the moment.

[SeattleUte]

To argue that this country was not founded by judeo-christian tradition would be foolish. To argue that there are not many other influences today would be so as well.

The founding of this country was all about rejecting theocracies and putting government out of theocratic reach and into the hands of the people. Essentially divorcing government from religion. There is even a provision in the Constitution that requires that. Indeed, the result of the Declaration of Independence was that the Founding Fathers were excommunicated from the religion of their youth. That should speak volumes. Anyone who understands the historic forces that gave birth to our country would understand that our country's founders were not thinking in terms of founding the country per a "judeo-christian tradition." Indeed, they identified a lot more closely with the ancient (pagan) Greeks and Romans.

[RobinFinderson]

The founding of this country was all about rejecting theocracies and putting government out of theocratic reach and into the hands of the people. Essentially divorcing government from religion. There is even a provision in the Constitution that requires that. Indeed, the result of the Declaration of Independence was that the Founding Fathers were excommunicated from the religion of their youth. That should speak volumes. Anyone who understands the historic forces that gave birth to our country would understand that our country's founders were not thinking in terms of founding the country per a "judeo-christian tradition." Indeed, they identified a lot more closely with the ancient (pagan) Greeks and Romans.

Good job SU. This needs to be said, and you said it pretty well. People who claim the Judeo-Christian tradition as the foundation for our legal system really have no understanding of the history.

[SeattleUte]

Good job SU. This needs to be said, and you said it pretty well. People who claim the Judeo-Christian tradition as the foundation for our legal system really have no understanding of the history.

This is from the Prologue of Chernow's biography of Hamilton:

In the front parlor of the house she now shared with her daughter, Eliza Hamilton had crammed the faded memorabilia of her now distant marriage. When visitors called, the tiny, erect, white-haired lady would grab her cane, rise gamely from a black sofa embroidered with a floral pattern of her own design, and escort them to a Gilbert Stuart painting of George Washington. She motioned with pride to a silver wine cooler, tucked discreetly beneath the center table, that had been given to the Hamiltons by Washington himself. This treasured gift retained a secret meaning for Eliza, for it had been a tacit gesture of solidarity from Washington when her husband was ensnared in the first major sex scandal in American history. The tour's highlight stood enshrined in the corner: a marble bust of her dead hero, carved by an Italian sculptor, Giuseppe Ceracchi, during Hamilton's heyday as the first treasury secretary. Portrayed in the classical style of a noble Roman senator, a toga draped across one shoulder, Hamilton exuded a brisk energy and a massive intelligence in his wide brow, his face illumined by the half smile that often played about his features. This was how Eliza wished to recall him: ardent, hopeful, and eternally young. "That bust I can never forget," one young visitor remembered, "for the old lady always paused before it in her tour of the rooms and, leaning on her cane, gazed and gazed, as if she could never be satisfied."

Speaks volumes.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is from the Prologue of Chernow's biography of Hamilton:

Speaks volumes.

That is a terrific book. Have you read it?

[SeattleUte]

That is a terrific book. Have you read it?

Not cover to cover.

[creekster]

Not cover to cover.

Really? Lebowski is correct, it is a terrific book. You should read it.