House looking to pass the 1.9 trillion to Budget

[Jarid in Cedar]

LOL.. Thanks.. I probably should use it (at least one in particular)..

DDD?

[dabrockster]

DDD?

No. I like DDD... He is a very cool dude..

[RobinFinderson]

I am not sure if their intent was for it to matter in the first place. I think they wanted the states to hold the power in essence allowing each state to allow the "people' to hold the power. I would much rather see it be more localized so that each individual state/city etc will once again hold the power (Per the people) and right the ship.. Limited Federal Govt and give the freedoms for each state to do what they will by the people.. Let them choose what they want in their state and what they want to support or not support..

I actually see your ideas as worthy goals. As long as state's rights isn't a pretext to wallow in local racism, I see it as an important part of the American marketplace of ideas.

But identifying that as a goal does not address the problem at hand, which is that the parties control the government, the parties have institutional agendas that are bad for citizens, so as citizens we no longer having a controlling interest in government outcomes. As long as we are debating whether Democrats or Republicans have the better solutions, we are only getting further mired in a broken system. How will citizens take back their government?

A system that works more like a parliament, I believe, is the answer. The problem with the two parties is simply that they are too big. If the power to govern were divided among many parties, it would become prohibitively expensive for special interests to pay everyone off. The problem with the two-party system is that it provides special interests with a one-stop-shopping system.

So, short of a revolution, how do we get something that isn't a parliament (because that would be unAmerican) but which works like a parliament?

[dabrockster]

I actually see your ideas as worthy goals. As long as state's rights isn't a pretext to wallow in local racism, I see it as an important part of the American marketplace of ideas.

But identifying that as a goal does not address the problem at hand, which is that the parties control the government, the parties have institutional agendas that are bad for citizens, so as citizens we no longer having a controlling interest in government outcomes. As long as we are debating whether Democrats or Republicans have the better solutions, we are only getting further mired in a broken system. How will citizens take back their government?

A system that works more like a parliament, I believe, is the answer. The problem with the two parties is simply that they are too big. If the power to govern were divided among many parties, it would become prohibitively expensive for special interests to pay everyone off. The problem with the two-party system is that it provides special interests with a one-stop-shopping system.

So, short of a revolution, how do we get something that isn't a parliament (because that would be unAmerican) but which works like a parliament?

LOL... Good question, because truthfully I only see that actually happening if you have a majority of the people actually coming together on this one common goal, and as of right now I think both sides have so many large corporations/lobbyists, advocacy groups etc. all focusing on small agenda's and looking for every opportunity to gain more based off the two parties....

Until we can all come together to one common goal I am not sure if that is ever possible. Both options we talk about will take more or less a miracle from some divine intervention (Sarcasim for you RF)..

[dabrockster]

Also, I think locally on the state level we see bi-partisan efforts actually working. So I am not as concerned about racism as much.. But I understand the concern each state may have.. In my state, I see many different people coming together on specific goals that are not only socially good for those less fortunate, but also conservatively beneficial to those who want to lower costs etc...